Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Notice the absence of the Dutch Tech canisters? The presence of the Edge, which was supposed to have been an dealer exclusive? So much for integrity. Oreck dealers fared betetr when Dave was at the helm.

vacmanuk wrote:

I didn't say it did.  I offered it up for discussion.  What I said MANY TIMES HERE is a China made MIELE is not worth the same price as a German made MIELE. 

In addition to performance you have to factor in quality and labor costs.  In my way of thinking China made quality is not on parity with German and the labor costs in China [slave wages without the guilt] are not either.   

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
It looks like you came back and changed some things.  I did not recall seeing my name so much.

Yes, I did call the Halo a good performer.  Now, where does that correlate w/not agreeing to the high price or the "weak" warranty?  Anyone can think the Rexair Rainbow is a good machine, but not like the DTD price.  Or, not like the way it is sold, but enjoy using the vacuum cleaner.  A person who knows about vacuum cleaners should talk about many aspects of the machine and everything associated w/it; no matter if it is good or bad.   Anyone reading/hearing about it should be able to understand what is being said, w/o bias. 

Reread my review, in the review section, again Carmine.  I believe I made reference to ORECK and even the HOOVER  Elite.  Everything I said was true.  I could see you making a comment if I had said something like, "You have to get this machine, because it is worth it at any price.  It is even made in China and the price includes a generous one year warranty.  But I did not say that, did I?.  I even talked about the germ-killing capabilities, which I also discussed on the forum.  You failed to mention that.  I am sure, in your mind, I said the germ killing feature will work really well and that everyone will like using it.  Plus, they will use it properly.

You say that the company went "belly up" and I "called that one wrong".  Really?  I did not know that I was responsible for every company I talk about.  I did not know that every person in the world will/should be listening to me.  I gave a good, thorough evaluation of the Halo, but I cannot help how a company markets their product.  You give me too much credit.

In a Halo thread, you said that I got it wrong.  The first company got it wrong, but ORECK came to save the day, because they know how to market it for a niche market.  I tried to get you to explain that reasoning, but you did not.  Now, we are seeing how that is working out.  Actually, the Halo has been off the website for a while now.  It did not just happen.  They are not selling.  They should have marketed it better. 


If some of the "old timers" of the forum recall, I do not tell others to purchase expensive machines.  TOL Panasonics were very good when I recommended them.  When I recommended Rainbows, I told them to go to ebay or visit vac shops in their area.  I did not tell them to call the Rainbow dealer.  Carmine, when you complain about the high price of a particular machine, really think who you should be blaming. Think about it.

I'm not going to re-quote your post.  It's long winded.  I'll just make a few points:  You gave the halo 4 out of 5 stars.  That speaks for itself.  ORECK bought the rights because it was a competitor.  It was a smart move by ORECK.  Marketing it and selling was not ORECK's reason.  ORECK never even pushed the halo.  Just watched it fade away.  What about the sales commissions on halo?  How did you miss that one?  Rather important fact IMHO. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
First, I will address you Carmine.  Like you said, it is only your opinion. 


Now, I want to address this to other business owners.  Would you go out and have something made, so you could market it; knowing that you did not want the product to sell?  I sure would not.  That is not good business for me.

If Halo is competition, then it is a threat to ORECK.  If Halo is a flop, then it is not competition to ORECK, therefore not a threat. It would be pretty stupid and unwise of ORECK to take the Halo and spend a great fortune to market it, if they did not want it on the market. All ORECK would have needed to do is let it die in Halo Technology's hands w/o spending a cent.  Another option would be to purchase the rights and hold onto it, so no other company becomes a "Competitor".

As I have said since the beginning of time,  ORECK purchases  other vacuum cleaners, puts his name on it and sells them for an even higher price.  The Halo is just another example.  Whirlpool was his first.

Mike_W wrote:

Your argument is flawed on its face because you have no idea of the amount associated with the purchase of halo by ORECK.  Obviously, ORECK felt it was in their best business interests to buy the UV-C technolgy in the form of the halo product and sell off the existing inventory while holding the rights to the UV-C technlogy at least for a set period of time certain.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
That's your humble opinion - and YET the Chinese made ones have been rated highly by GHI or CR. It makes no difference to where they are made, Carmine. Miele have already established quality throughout - not all Chinese made things are poor quality.

As a buyer, the last thing on anyone's mind is "labour costs" and the brand names should exude something, either quality, engineering, ease of use etc - lifestyle needs.

vacmanuk wrote:

Just as yours is your opinion.  Again I emphasize one of the key facts for consideration for China made vacuums has to be the price.  You noted here many times that many of the Chinese made vacuums come with the same high prices as their Europe and American made vacuum counterparts.  Although you and I and the whole world know that the Chinese companies pay slave labor wages. 

I offer up for discussion and thought the fact that Consumer Reports in March 2011 has taken a new tact with its vacuum ratings.  While rating Chinese made brands like HOOVER and EUREKA LUX top performers in the upright and canister categories, CR refused to make them best buys.  Why?  Because of the reliability issues of these brands and models.  I have called CR out on this matter on this forum.  Why?  CR needs to be more specific with the details.  If CR intends to make an issue of reliability as part of its ratings and recommendations [along with price and performance] then it should in addition to other details provide the countries of origin of the brands and models that are falling short.   Hold the companies and their Chinese partners accountable for their products, prices and quality. 

Carmine D.

The most recent solo sale by ORECK for the XL Deluxe upright for $199 with free shipping and bags included.  Either through ORECK direcvt or from a local ORECK store subject to availablity.  As I posted here recently.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Why no free hand held with this sale price.  The truth is that "FREE" is expensive with an Oreck.  And to think that Dyson was criticized for deceptive claims.

HARDSELL wrote:

Since we are on a "truth" path, dyson was "ordered" to cease and desist with its untrue product claims else risk legal and monetary consequences.  Dyson corrected its untrue ways.  It saw the light.

Carmine D.