Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Notice the absence of the Dutch Tech canisters? The presence of the Edge, which was supposed to have been an dealer exclusive? So much for integrity. Oreck dealers fared betetr when Dave was at the helm.

Oreck is not offering the Miele cans with the Oreck nameplate. They are mere making a peace offering (avoiding a class action lawsuit, (My opinion)) to the franchise dealers that they screwed when they undercut them on their Corporate website, QVC. and Boxstores. They can now carry Miele Badged vacuums. In essence Oreck Corporate screws with their own dealers and then gets Milele to bail them out and then pass the screwing onto the Indies who have given birth to Miele USA...NICE! Carmine I have a question about Dave. I thought he was long gone and just a figurehead and Oreck is now owned by a holding company backed with Chinese Money. What's the real story? Thanks Lucky

Lucky1 wrote:

Hello Lucky1:

Thanks for the clarification on the MIELE and ORECK canns. 

Dave is and has been a figure head.  Now in his 80's.  Allowing Judy [who changed her name after the divorce only to change back again] and Tom [her ex] to have the face time at the stores.  Dave is still pictured in all the stores, ads, mail outs and such.  He is still the face of ORECK. 

ORECK, after Katrina in 2005, needed money quickly to keep operations afloat and move locations.  ORECK was on ground zero.  Lost everything.  Chinese investors as you might imagine came to the rescue with the needed capital BUT with stakeholder rights and interests.  Can't fault Dave.  He really didn't have a choice in the matter except to save the company or see it sink.  ORECK family still owns a considerable interest in the company maybe even the majority ownership and Tom leads the company helm. 

As mentioned here by me, Chinese investors are buying up property in Las Vegas at rock bottom prices, paying cash and getting the homes even cheaper than the listing prices and appraisal values [cash money talks].  Such is the world we live in.  Like the now infamous TV ad showing the Chinese professor teaching his students in 2030 about the fall of the mighty financial empires of Greece, Rome and the US.  Chinese own our the majority of our debt now and hence will eventually own us [that's US]?  Wishful thinking on the Chinese?  

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:
You say Panasonic made them under HOOVER  and Eueka, then which models are they?  I will use a quote you used on HARDSELL, "Once again not correct [as usual]". The company that makes "A" HOOVER,  also makes this new ORECK, but not this model/design.  I would like to know what Eureka models are made by this company. 

ORECK sources from different companies and not just one.

Mike_W wrote:

I suspect you are trying to make a point. Rather than just trying I suggest you say what you know to be a fact so we can all be enlightened.  That is after all one of your reasons for monitoring our posts here is it not.  I'm only to happy to admit a mistake if I'm wrong.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Yes, I am trying to get you to answer questions and not give us nonsense.  

Mike_W wrote:

Same old same old from you. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I suspect Carmine, that you're trying to gloss over the fact that whoever makes whoever's machines, Oreck is going to shine superior regardless. End of the day, Oreck can only survive on their hand held portable canisters - ones that they probably produce themselves. If they're a small company then I can see why they would go with other mass brands to make portable pull along wheeled canister vacuums. Whether or not they are made in China has nothing to do with perceived quality - Miele's S4 vacuums can attest to that.

vacmanuk wrote:

No vacmanuk, not at all about holdin ORECK over others. I said for $499 a China made canister [cylinder] as is the Quest even with the ORECK name and backing is not worth the money.  The straight suction model is $299 which as I said is the only model right now available in my area.  Pano, EUREKA, HOOVER and others make the same/similar models as the straight suction Quest under their names at a fraction of the $299 price.  With components like hose and wands and attachments that are same same as the Quest.  Even motor specs and features like the cordwinder.  At that price [$499} I would prefer/buy a USA made/German made cann.  I have also said before here many times that a MIELE made cann in China should not be the same price as a German made MIELE and if so I would pass it up.  Not worth the same $.  That's me, others like you and Mike W. and his fondness for high priced panosonics are entitled to spend your money as you wish.  Mike W. once here called the halo, a China made $499 upright with one year warranty, a good performer despite its high price and weak warranty.  I posted here that retailers' sales people carrying the halo were getting commissions to push it: $50-$100 per sale.  It went belly up in short order and Nick Garcia [halo founder] sold the rights to ORECK after other vacuum makers turned him down.  Mike W. called that one wrong unless of course he was getting commissions on the halo sales.  Don't know for sure just my opinion and observation.  He never mentioned it here.  It's an important sales point and so I did.  Maybe he didn't know.  Give him the benefit of the doubt. And not say he was not up front. 

Carmine D. 

I would add as discussion too that perhaps the S4 is being made in China for MIELE because MIELE plans to scrub the line eventually.  Again, just for discussion as is the subject tab on this site and thread the last I saw/read.  Not as fact unless it turns out to be the case.  And it may.  hard to verify right now.  I don't know it as a fact yet BUT offer as opinion FOR DISCUSSION and it may at some future time become fact and then I'll post it so.

Yes but how does the vacuum perform?

For your info, Miele's original S4 models were made both in China and Germany. It had nothing to do with the model being taken out of production.

vacmanuk wrote:

I didn't say it did.  I offered it up for discussion.  What I said MANY TIMES HERE is a China made MIELE is not worth the same price as a German made MIELE. 

In addition to performance you have to factor in quality and labor costs.  In my way of thinking China made quality is not on parity with German and the labor costs in China [slave wages without the guilt] are not either.   

Carmine D.