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Dyson sues...
Original Message   Jan 27, 2010 5:28 pm
Dyson sues rival Vax over vacuum cleaner design
Dyson has launched legal action against rival manufacturer Vax, claiming the design of its Mach Zen vacuum cleaner is an infringement of the registered design of its first "bagless" Dyson cylinder vacuum, launched 15 years ago.

The company's founder and inventor James Dyson – who revolutionised the domestic appliance market with the product – said the Chinese-owned rival had "flagrantly copied" Dyson's iconic design and pledged to set a precedent on behalf of all designers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jan/27/dyson-sues-vax

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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson sues...
Reply #28   Jan 30, 2010 11:28 am
vacmanuk wrote:
 I dont know DIB, but its a hell of a funny that for all that Dysons remain to be unique, they weren't first to create a clear dust bin or adding colour on their models. How pedantic do you want to become? I don't see past companies taking Dyson to court simply because Dyson have used something similar.

For the record I don't think that Dirt Devil are out to snag Dyson would be customers by using a "DC" code. I'm assuming that they've used up virtually every model number they've had with the preceding "DD/Dirt Devil," letters on past models. After all, in Europe and UK Dirt Devil don't just make floorcare appliances and most of their entire ranges have the "DD" lettering identifier. Also, Dirt Devil as you may know aren't a premium brand and will probably never be a premium brand thanks to their budget builds and market share. Thus consumers aren't going to be easily fooled by a Dyson like model just because Dirt Devil happens to have a "DC" in the model name.



Agree with you vacmanuk.  Vacuum and car makers are copycats.  When Lexus launched in 1998 it copied the model numbers and series of Mercedes Benz and BMW on class and motor size.  No lawsuits.  If anything, customers are confused by the alphabets and numbers and don't rely on them for buying.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson sues...
Reply #29   Jan 30, 2010 12:07 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
VacmanUK,

I guess putting locks on the door to your home is out of the question, and if a robber or opportunist takes something that’s yours and you want it back...then this makes you an infamous bully.

Any idiot with brain matter can design and build the [what’s mostly a] silly little vacuum cleaner anyway they choose, but Amway (working with Bissell), Hoover UK, Hoover/Maytag, TTI (Hoover USA and VAX, and/or other manufacturers) leach vice lead.  Society needs leaders more than suckers (suck the life from others), and that’s history and a demonstrable fact and not an opinion.

Do you think TTI/Dirt Devil's using Model numbers that parallel Dyson's is an attempt to con the public or is it an attempt to separate and differentiate themselves (from Dyson) in the mind of the public?

http://www.which.co.uk/news/2010/01/dirt-devil-launches-high-powered-vacuum-cleaners-195683


Dyson Invents Big
vacmanuk wrote:
 I dont know DIB, but its a hell of a funny that for all that Dysons remain to be unique, they weren't first to create a clear dust bin or adding colour on their models. How pedantic do you want to become? I don't see past companies taking Dyson to court simply because Dyson have used something similar.

For the record I don't think that Dirt Devil are out to snag Dyson would be customers by using a "DC" code. I'm assuming that they've used up virtually every model number they've had with the preceding "DD/Dirt Devil," letters on past models. After all, in Europe and UK Dirt Devil don't just make floorcare appliances and most of their entire ranges have the "DD" lettering identifier. Also, Dirt Devil as you may know aren't a premium brand and will probably never be a premium brand thanks to their budget builds and market share. Thus consumers aren't going to be easily fooled by a Dyson like model just because Dirt Devil happens to have a "DC" in the model name.

I'll address one point.

Of...  DCC017 | DC17 or DCC019 | DC19
Given that Red TTI has a history of taking what they did not create and then saying Red ran out of name/combination choices or letter/number combination choices is laughable.


CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson sues...
Reply #30   Jan 30, 2010 4:14 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
I'll address one point.

Of...  DCC017 | DC17 or DCC019 | DC19
Given that Red TTI has a history of taking what they did not create and then saying Red ran out of name/combination choices or letter/number combination choices is laughable.



The issues are: Do the DD models with similar numbers pawn themselves off as dysons and thereby profit from doing so?  Proving the latter is very hard to do if DD vacuum sales exceed those of dyson sales.  And, last I heard they do and have for many years.  Using similar numbers as dyson is funny IMHO and more a barb at Sir James and dyson.  Your emotional insanity over it is extremely laughable to me.  I suspect when Lexus emulated the models numbers of the prime luxury car makers MB and BMW in 1998 it was for the same reason[s].  As I said most customers pay little or no attention to the alphabet and number models whether cars or vacuums.  As Shakespeare says:  Much to do about nothing.  And: Me thinks you doth protest too much.  Have your pick/both.

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: Dyson sues...
Reply #31   Jan 31, 2010 6:36 am
CarmineD wrote:
The issues are: Do the DD models with similar numbers pawn themselves off as dysons and thereby profit from doing so?  Proving the latter is very hard to do if DD vacuum sales exceed those of dyson sales.  And, last I heard they do and have for many years.  Using similar numbers as dyson is funny IMHO and more a barb at Sir James and dyson.  Your emotional insanity over it is extremely laughable to me.  I suspect when Lexus emulated the models numbers of the prime luxury car makers MB and BMW in 1998 it was for the same reason[s].  As I said most customers pay little or no attention to the alphabet and number models whether cars or vacuums.  As Shakespeare says:  Much to do about nothing.  And: Me thinks you doth protest too much.  Have your pick/both.

Carmine D.


I don't buy/accept the glowing dyson self-made claims that its sales lead the industry.  Show me the proof.

Carmine D. 

vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
Points: 1162

Re: Dyson sues...
Reply #32   Jan 31, 2010 6:06 pm
Well if you think my suggestion that the TTi policy of using similar Dyson codes are laughable, I think you're under false pretences to think buyers could ever be confused between a Dyson and a Dirt Devil.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson sues...
Reply #33   Feb 1, 2010 6:22 am
vacmanuk wrote:
Well if you think my suggestion that the TTi policy of using similar Dyson codes are laughable, I think you're under false pretences to think buyers could ever be confused between a Dyson and a Dirt Devil.



As many consumers find it laughable that the cheaper TTI HOOVER models [$100-$250] continually whoop dysons [$500 plus] in the CR ratings and rankings.  Dyson just doesn't get any respect by the industry experts.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: Dyson sues...
Reply #34   Feb 1, 2010 7:33 am
CarmineD wrote:
As many consumers find it laughable that the cheaper TTI HOOVER models [$100-$250] continually whoop dysons [$500 plus] in the CR ratings and rankings.  Dyson just doesn't get any respect by the industry experts.

Carmine D.



Speaking of laughable.  How do you think CR got the name of Clown Reports ?
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson sues...
Reply #35   Feb 1, 2010 9:03 am
HARDSELL wrote:
Speaking of laughable.  How do you think CR got the name of Clown Reports ?



Because it is called:  The bible of the car-buying public and now rates Ford's quality higher than toyota's?  Source: Paul Ingrassia.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Dyson sues...
Reply #36   Feb 1, 2010 9:29 am
CarmineD wrote:
Because it is called:  The bible of the car-buying public and now rates Ford's quality higher than toyota's?  Source: Paul Ingrassia.

Carmine D.

Gee, a bad rating after a problem is known by the world.  Such genius.

Moderator Mike_W


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Re: Dyson sues...
Reply #37   Feb 3, 2010 3:21 am
Keep the thread on topic.   That  does not mean inserting the word "vacuum" in a post about cars.
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