In the press today:-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711862-details/Dyson+with+more+revs+than+F1+racer/article.do

Product details:-

• Motor goes at 106,000rpm 'three times faster than any other motor'
• 200 watt motor
• 65/38 air watts (switchable power??)
• £129.99 GBP RRP, powered brush version £149.99

I think the devil will be in the other details, as we learn them. Presumably it's using the Dyson Digital motor? From the photo, the collection bin looks slightly deeper and has a more prominent release switch. It has improved max suction (DC16 has 36 air watts) so I'm presuming (nay hoping) that it can run in standard mode for more than 5mins and switch to a 'turbo' mode as needed?

I have prefectly good DC16, but I could be tempted by something with a longer run time and twice the already impresive suction for car cleaning.

Product information is now being displayed at http://www.dyson.co.uk/ :-

1. 3 new models in total, with various features and price points.
2. All models use the new Dyson digital motor V2, which is 1/3 lighter and 80% more power-efficient than the previous version.
3. The entry level DC30 offers 6 mins run time with 'high constant suction' (38 air watts)
4. The DC31 model has extra battery capacity to offer 10mins run time at 38 air watts and 6mins at 65 air watts (40% extra boost). As before, there is an animal DC31 model with powered brush bar.

Further details of the new products and the digital motor:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/technologynews/5636349/Dyson-unveils-worlds-fastest-motor-in-new-dustbuster.html

I really would have liked to have seen an option power cord.. 6 to 10 minutes isn't enough time...

Acerone wrote:

hi acerone

i agree...you better  have it together and know what you gotta clean before you start...opt cord needs to be a must...and at that price it should have one. anything below 15 min is useless.....like the rechargable stik vacs...you do a few [3] mats and its spent..done .for 89$  you can get a tiny panasonic canister with a cord that will outlast and out perform them both....super light .

Acerone wrote:

It may be enough for removing surface crumbs, but nowhere near long enough for removing deeply embedded grit from car mats and carpets.

Nope, you have to have a mains operated cleaner to get the grit.

Trilobite wrote:

way overpriced..far too many outhere that can outperform it for alot less $$..[riccar,hvr,pansc,oreck]  .and just as durable . ...great tech with the digital motor..cool looks ...but not at that price.

Hi,

A main part of my argument all along has been affordability. There are far fewer of us now able to follow whim when it comes to spending. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the Dyson accountant's office and learn just how many of these ACTUALLY sell.

The "turtle" is correct in that a small lightweight canister vacuum, bagged or bagless, is by far the better deal. A 60-buck vac with an upholstery nozzle can take you a lot further for a lot less money as it has potential use possibilities all over the house.

I make only one exception. As is so typical of New York, paying for something but getting nothing I mean, my car housed in a private garage that has no electricity. Because that meant that I couldn't just bring a household vacuum around from my place to clean the car, I got one of those little mini-can vacs that plug directly into the cigarette lighter for power.

It's a ten-dollar deal that you can't necessarily rave about but gets the job done with a little effort. I especially like its having a hose plus a small nozzle and a crevice tool. That makes it far easier to pursue dust under and between seats and other hard to get at areas.

I can't understand why Dyson simply doesn't put together some kind of electrical adapter to allow the same sort of power hook-up -- or maybe that's too simple.

Best,

Venson

Venson wrote:

hi venson

so true...i lived in chicago for a number of years and am all too familiar with a garage &no power...you made an excellent point....i think all small cans ,or rechareables especially should also come w a car kit hook up....but at dysons price point..it should be mandatory 12v/120v/rechargeable flexability..cords included...i know u can buy a converter with a cig  [plug in]  on one end and a [receptical ] on the other ...just gotta watch your amp draw....under 20$ if im not mistaken.

M00seUK wrote:
Thanks for the post/news.

DIB

What is the noise level on this new dyson hand held?

Carmine D.

James Dyson Unveils DC30 and DC31

Model2 wrote:

Hello Model2 and thanks for the YouTube clip.  I was disappointed by it.  Despite its length its lacking a good demo of the new product.  Couldn't hear the questions and even answers on occasion.  James looks terrible in the video considering he is pitching his latest technology and product. 

My question about the noise level was answered.  My 12 year old lab was half asleep/awake about 3 feet away from the computer.  I turned the speakers on low [my dear Wife is asleep], when James hit the power button on the handheld, the motor squealed like a trapped pig, and my lab jumped up and ran out.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I opined that the noise and my lab's reaction was an anomaly.  So after my dear wife awoke, I tried again.  Lab in position about 3 feet away from the computer but this time awake and laying down.  Speakers on normal.  James hit the power switch with the revolving brush engaged.  Same reaction.  My lab was up and away in a flash.  She gave me a look from the hallway that asked why I was torturing her like this.  This is the very same pooche that follows me around the whole house when I vacuum with my upright ORECK!

Carmine D.

Hi Model2,

I also thank you much for the video link but have to say I am also unimpressed by Dyson's presentation. A lot of talk but little action.

I guess I'm beginning to think like Carmine. The thing I was waiting to see here was a real-deal demo. I am not overly concerned about the high-filtration capability of a battery operated hand vacuum as they are not used for long periods of time. This also negates Dyson's mention of the brushless motor and no carbon emissions -- a silly point for this type of vacuum. Furthermore, his even bothering to lend even five seconds attention to those issues made me doubt the man's line of thought. Too much science and too little practicality.

What I did notice, per Dyson though he did not say so outright, was that the battery/electronic system, as claimed, emulates the set-up for the Hoover Platinum stick vac -- it runs full speed for ten minutes and stops once full power can't be delivered.

I'll stick with my ten-dollar plug-in thingy and be happy for the time being I think.

Best,

Venson

Venson wrote:

Can i get a polisher attachment so i can clean and polish my woodwork?. Can i hook up my optima deep cycle battery  and use it allday,can i use an adapter and run it off 240 volts?. Can i use it for a cordless drill?. My, My,MY, how desperate dyson has become,Whats next the laundry stuff that runs on steam power??????

regards

MOLE

mole wrote:

I think Kirby is what you need.  It does everything.  

CarmineD wrote:

There was no smoke-and-mirrors "demo" of the product. All in attendance - media reps, journalists, etc. were gifted DC31s, allowing them to try the product out in their own home environment, and subject it to any task or performance test they should wish to.

Venson wrote:

I'm very sorry - what did the doctors say?

Carmine/Venson,

You guys are funny!

Venson, your “To much science, not enough practicality” statement is side splitting.  What part of the Dyson “meet and greet”/intro to the DDM handheld do you find confusing/can’t get your head around (not practical enough for you)?

And Carmine is classic Carmine... that is, he never is or rarely is accurate of Dyson.  TTI’s so-called fade free lineup came ONLY AFTER Dyson’s fade free DC16.  Dyson DC16 needs fast steady airflow, TTI's handheld has no mechanical benefits to being "fade-free".  TTI used the fade-free marketing hype/no mechanical benefit handheld only so to enter Dyson's preimum priced handheld segment.


DIB

Model2,

You went to the intro?...  very cool.  For a collector/historian meeting/watching Dyson demo history/their inventions IS HUGE...  a once in a hundred years or so opportunity.  

I’m going out of town and like to hear more later.  If you have anything else to share then please do.  I’d like to view the entire presentation if possible.

Thank you for the upload, etc!!!


DIB

Model2 wrote:
I'm going to live, darn it!

Venson

DysonInventsBig wrote:
DIB,

I not the least bit confused. The issue to me is having a simple machine to handle simple jobs. However, here we have all this wonderful -- and expensive -- technology just to get donut crumbs out of my car.

As I said, my little ten dollar tub will do just fine. Should it fail, I'll roll the car around to the house and run a dord out. (Done it before.) AND gas plus juice included for the task, I'll come out cheaper.

Venson

Model2 wrote:

Whens the OPRAH segment coming?

Are they throwing in the hand vac to compliment  the dc28 giveaway?

Whens Sir James going on top gear???????

regards

MOLE

mole wrote:
He already has, of sorts...  about a year or so ago, Jeremy Clarkson demo’d the Porsche Carrera and talked of it’s clean emissions and said “It’s like a Dyson”.  Dyson like no others, enjoys much free press.

DIB

Venson wrote:
Venson,

There is money to be made and new ground to break.  Dyson achieves this with this tiny DDM invention and product.  The upside of being a private company... no one other than its owner controls what direction it takes or products they should pursue.  Dyson believes (seen the DC16 sales evidence?) he will sell 1,000,000 units.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Point well taken DIB but I'm not worried over who breaks new ground with a hand vacuum cleaner. We still have AIDS, cancer and the common cold to cure along with an economy also badly in need of a doctor. Being generous, even if bonafide proof is made public that he managed to unload 100,000 of these doo-hickeys I'll be surprised.

Venson

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

Thank you kindly for the gracious compliment.  I knew if I lived long enough I would be a classic.

Carmine D.

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson:

Beats the alternative!

Carmine D.

Model2 wrote:

Hello Model2:

In the old days, before your time, the pitchman would invite the crowd and demo the product.  Then, sell and take orders based on the actual performance.  New age sales is to invite a few in for a verbal dog and pony show complete with pretty associate and pictures and give away the products.  Being a classic, I prefer the old way. 

Carmine D.

I thought it disengenuous of James to compare the latest dyson handheld to B&D pivot hand vac.  As I recall the B&D pivot vac for $60 was around when dyson intro'ed the DC16 several years ago. 

More appropriately, dyson should be comparing his latest to the TTI's accucharge hand and stick vacuum.  These are the latest competitors and in my opinion trump dyson on price and run time. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Hi Carmine,

I don't think Dyson is prepared to take on the AccuCharge thing from TTI as, if I am correct, the run time even if by a couple minutes or two is indeed longer and -- it wasn't his idea in the first place. The only thing worth hearing after that is that his will run for at least a minimum of 15 minutes before cut-off.

The B&D Pivot vac does quite well for the money -- and least half the money at that. That's what consumers will be banking in the stores.

Venson

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson:

Thank you for the highest compliment of all.  I agree with your assessment of dyson and TTI's accucharge cordless products.  Dyson can't compare to HOOVER/DIRT DEVIL on price, run time, and/or performance.  Accucharge earns the Energy Star ratings too.  Dyson is silent on the matter.

I don't know the latest warranty on dyson's DC30 and 31.  If it's 2 years, like the DC16, TTI/HOOVER has dyson beat there too: 3 years for HOOVER platinum lynx handheld.

Carmine D.

Venson wrote:

in reality its not very hard to find a vacuum in any catagory to match or exceed a dysons performance

.....at a fraction of the cost...its been that way for years

retardturtle1 wrote:

For sure, turtle1.  For sure.

Carmine D.

DC31 in Action Also for those in the UK.. The DC16 is now gone from the UK website...

Are the prices really $220 and $270 for these DDM handhelds?

Not a very impressive video for the DC31.  Note too that the viewers don't know for sure if the speed is the lower or higher mode power used with the docile pets.  The lower is 10 minutes at 38 AW; the higher is 6 minutes at 65 AW.  I suspect the higher is the noisier version that would be more discomforting to our 4 legged furry friends. 

Carmine D.

I agree with Carmine D.   I'm also not impressed with the Dyson DC30 - 31 handehld.  Why hasn't Dyson got it into their heads that some people may want to have a corded option?   I have a DC16 which I do not feel is good for cleaning the car at all.  I have velour seats and the DC16 just cant get the lint up I have to scrub it out of the fabric with my hand - yes I do have to resort to lugging out the big Dyson DC04 upright to get any satisfactory outcome,

The DC16 battery was not particulary good at the beginning as the battery was new so it didnt quite last the full 6 mins, now its 3 years old the battery is on its last legs and keeps on conking out, I have to keep on preesing the button, the machine works for 4 seconds then the battery lights flash to say flat when the battery is not flat.  Not very impressive for a machine that cost £100.   The DC31 only adresses the need for a more powerful machine for only 10 mins - only 4 mins more than what the current DC16 did and what a price to have to pay for this if the battery technology isn't there, users will have to keep buying new batteries every so often so the machine wont quite last for 10 mins.  I cannot believe that Dyson sell their 'top range' Handheld for £150,  I could buy a full size vacuum cleaner at that price - Dyson must know that some people out there are suckers.  Like I was when I bought the DC16 for £100, what was I thinking of lol

bucks03 wrote:

suckers you say?..you must be refering to  the $250vac...that sells for $800....or the canisters.....or the handheld...

..then yes that would be most if not all [soon] that made the purchase of a  HIGH END ...[ive been told] dyson vacuum cleaner.

and dont forget about the teams of engineers.....who worked so hard on what you and soooooo many have pointed out.

look at  dysons entire line up...all HIGH END [ive been told] AT HIGH END PRICE..now look at the competitions entry level uprights and canisters.

[ie. tempo / panasonic3920 can /fuller ] all meet or exceed  all that  dyson has to offer...and will last as long or longer....all these at under $100.

with nowhere near the eventual nasty bagless clean out....thats fun...yeah...or spend $299 and get an incredible oreck and canister...package

that will outlast and out live all of the above ....so you can spend your money on a great vacuum -[hvr pan fuller]- and have plenty left over to enjoy

have fun with...or buy a dyson with all your money...and sit home and look at it...cause you wont have any  money to go or do anything else...

..guess you could clean it out real good....gotta keep those cyclones cleaned out.....but its all about freedom of choice...what you think is all that matters..

..and this forum has some great people with alot of knowledge to share.....ive learned alot.

retardturtle1 wrote:
Dyson took advantage of the AMERICAN publics buying habits, The old it must be better than the rest because its so much more money,Got to admit DYSON knows how to woo the public ,I bet he pays his advertising agencys more than the engineers that actually bring this junk to the market place,

So how does it feel to have an $800.00 piece of artwork that nobody wants to service [dont blame the indys they warned you] But NOOOOOOOOOOO you got suckered by Sir James and the advertising.

Maybe TURTLE is not the only one that has learned a lot yet.........................

regards

MOLE

mole wrote:
Hiya MOLE,

In the recent past and up to the present the American public's buying habits haven't been about buying but charging things to credit cards. Those days are over for a lot of us -- especially if the unemployment stats of 9.5 percent haven't changed from the other day.

Yes, it used to be fun to splurge on this or that little piece of exotica when you knew the first of the month only required to lay a minimum payment against what you brought home from the store, good, bad or indifferent. These days if privileged with credit and still employed, a large part of the populous are keeping credit cards on the back burner moreso for use in emergencies than serendipitous spending.

I am sure that there are those among us who as yet don't have to worry much about altering their spending trends in regard to frivolous luxury items but there's not enough of them, I feel, to make Dyson's venture with $200 hand-vacuums pay off. A new full-size upright (already done) or a full-size canister (already done as well) that would allow for a more practical explanation of purchase would be more the ticket and more the better investment.

These new doo-dads are probably more of interest to unmarried, childless persons like myself with not much to do with their time or money -- and there aren't that many of us. The rest of the world is thinking on how to find money to cover the kid's braces.

Venson

Bucks03, Turtle1, MOLE, Venson et al here:

The latest DC30 and 31 epitomize James' philosophy for vacuum products and sales.  James thought [correctly for awhile] that MANY of the big box store shoppers would gladly pay higher and higher prices for vacuums under the slick marketing veil of innovation.  Regardless of the actual performance of the vacuum products [which for dyson in the USA has always been fair to middlin at best].  James was right for a little while.  People were lulled into the false belief that the higher and higher  prices automatically meant better performance.  Wrong!  Independent vacuum store owners and operators never bought into the hype.  MOLE and turtle1 knew the truth.  Big box retail stores did not.  Why?  What do they know from vacuums?  Besides, they enjoyed riding the dyson gravy train.  That's changed.  With time, dyson buyers learned otherwise.  High prices, hype, hawking, and average performance at best.  James/dyson orchestrated an excellent ponzi scheme for vacuum buyers.  Whether intention or not.  Dyson tried the approach with less success for hand dryers and washers too.  Works well for vacuums [$500 plus just the right price that credit card buyers will spring for without concern] when times are very good, as Venson cogently says.  When economic times tank, especially as they have globally over the last 18-24 months and still the scheme falls apart.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

hi carmine

AMEN......to that.        so i wonder when and at what point does dyson bring in  TONY ROBBINS...

to convince or make his SUPPORTERS  [ actual dyson buyers ]  believe that  the  TITANIC  really isnt sinking.....that its all in their head.

retardturtle1 wrote:

No wonder you fall for all the hype about Hoovers, Oreck and others.  The Titantic isn't sinking.   It already rests on the bottom with the likes of Hoover and Oreck.  Like Carmine.  You need to get up to date.  Yesterday is gone.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HS:

Back at you, sir.  You're the one living in the past.  When dyson products had no track record for performance and dyson shills flooded the forums with hype.  Clever dyson strategy and slickied many unsuspecting vacuum buyers into buying dysons at outrageously high prices.  Those days are over.  Long gone now.  Dyson has a track record and it can't compete on performance with HOOVER and ORECK brands.  Your fave brand is fading fast.  Sinking fast is another way to put it. 

Carmine D.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'turtle1'

Excellent question.  Three things have to happen to jump start dyson sales in 2009 and 2010 enough to weather the current economic tsunami and keep the dyson brand afloat in the USA, its major market. 

1. One or more of the new dyson vacuum products have to land top spots in Consumer Reports rankings and ratings soon. 
2. Dyson has to discontinue problematic models and big box retailers have to deeply discount these models to get them off the shelves and out of the warehouses:  Models like DC07, DC14, DC15, DC16, DC17, DC18, DC20, DC21 and DC24.  They have to be gone. 
3. Dyson has to discount  and/or provide incentives on its latest models like the DC22, 23, 27, 28, 30 and 31 to make them competitive price wise with the big box store brand vacuum prices.  If not, dyson sales will continue to be non-existent except for the discontinued models that will be sold way below MSRP, and have already been counted in dyson sales years ago.

Does James have the wherewithal, time and business skills to do these 3 things?  Time will tell and the clock is ticking. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
First I had to tell you that the Bismark was sunk.  Now I remind you the Titantic has sunk.  Once again Hoover USA was sunk a couple years back.  You and retard are way behind.

CarmineD wrote:
You said the same thing prior to Dyson sinking Hoover.  Hoover USA is dead.  You have told the world for 4 or 5 years that Dyson is doomed.  Maybe if you preach doom long enough it will happen.  In the meantime I have proven you wrong numerous times.

CarmineD wrote:

hi carmine

i gotta say id be blown away if dyson makes it in one of the top spots......he'll be in open water now....with all the other sharks.

more than one of his vacs  in a top spot ? ...just dont see it happening

dc-14  thru 24....consumers already  been burned on these models and they have passed the word...

..so hes gotta clearence these to reel in a new crowd of the uninformed and unknowing .  

dc-22 thru31....hmmmmm lets see.   a  [HIGH END]  dyson at bbx store brand prices...how dare you speak such words MR.CARMINE.

but i do believe its when he lowers the prices to [CHEAP VACUUM ] LEVEL IS WHEN HIS PROBLEMS HAVE JUST BEGUN.

its then that hell have to face the very compitition that has feasted on him in the past issues of CR.... this time at a much lower price...

where the big sharks feed....i in some ways i feel that dyson has avoided this move because he knows the outcome and damage that can and will come from hoover-oreck-panasonic.. ect  ...the performance of his very best  HIGH END  line of vacuums has been bested

by hoover -oreck  and panasonics entry level models.....does dyson have what it takes to survive and pull it out..? maybe.  i think hes a smart guy.

.with some  great  ideas..[ddm]..and deserves credit when its due....but his vacuums are way more  trouble than they are worth.

and even if he does lower prices to bbx store brand level...and some do sell.   nobody wants to work on them ...still.  

 none of us wants to spend the next few [warranty] years working on the same dyson year after year.

 thats why most if not all independants dont want them in the store....because once you sell them.....you gotta service them....

but thats just my opinion.....my freedom of thought  on the issue....i may not know alot about alot of things....but i sure know enough to know to

 STAY AWAY FROM DYSONS  !..........thats all.

HARDSELL wrote:

Beg to differ HS:  Since the dyson launch in the USA, over 7 years ago, I've been critical of the high dyson prices for the lackluster performance.  And the lack of acceptance for dyson products by independent vacuum store owners and operators who have found dysons to be problematic for parts and repairs.  I said the combination of these negatives would bode bad for dyson when the economy tanks, as it has.

Carmine D.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'turtle1"

For all the reasons you mentioned, dyson vacuums can survive in big box stores only as a niche seller in the USA.  For those consumers who want a higher price bagless vacuum, come what may, and are willing to pay a slight premium, not a typical dyson premium, for the bagless feature.  Of course, once dyson lowers his product prices to the current big box store levels he will have to downsize his work force and operations.  The excess costs are bleeding dyson cash.

Carmine D.

Venson wrote:

Hello Venson:

You posted several days ago and I excerpted this part.  The unemployment claims this past week are close to 7 MILLION.  Warren Buffett and a group of business leaders met this past week in Idaho as part of a yearly event.  WB was interviewed on the state of the economy and how well President Obama is steering the ship through the troubled financial waters.  WB was asked about the unemployment rate.  WB said it will go higher.  When pressed on a figure he refused to say.  When pressed further if it could go to 11 percent, WB said while he is not predicting it, yes it will.  And possibly higher.  Asked what President and Congress can do, WB said a second stumulus package including another round of payments to the public.  Will it happen?  Well, WB is called the Oracle of Omaha!

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:

hi carmine

with all that downsizing across the board....that also includes his advertising...forcing dysons to put up or shut up.

that niche market is getting smaller....because many still remember  the dyson expierence.

look at his quality and performance  of...past , present  designs for all models...including prices. now imagine what  kind of quality and performance

 the consumer /niche market  is going to get when he lowers those prices to bbx store level....to date he has yet to produce a vacuum on any level

that can compete with his direct compitition. ..and thats at dysons '' HIGH END''status....i do believe his compitition is eagerly awaiting his arrival.

reguardless of what dyson makes or produces in this new price segment ...i see a HOOVER TEMPO feasting on it ....just like before..

i among many others would recomend the sale of a tempo or used oreck over a new dyson every time .....

a

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'turtle1'

I agree and added emphasis to your concluding statement which seals dyson's fate [IF IT SURVIVES the current economic tsunami in the USA] as a niche product.  HS and others here have heard me predict the dyson brand as a niche product in the USA.  No difference from a halo.  I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see dyson downsize mainstay operations to the UK and Europe with aminor presence in several USA big box retailers. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Hiya Carmine,

I like it that President Obama -- without much fuss, fanfare or complaint -- has rolled up his sleeves and is at least trying to dig us out of the mess his predecessor and the former crew left for not only him but the country to deal with.

However, I accept the stimulus package thing may not be all it's cracked up to be in some ways. I was listening to a radio program yesterday where it was claimed that lots of states are using a substantial part of that money to repair roadways. This is just an instance but per the commentator on the air, road repair as opposed to making new roads generates substantially less jobs.

I had to wonder at this as last night, on my way home from the Delaware Water Gap, my trip was continually slowed down by road work efforts in Pennsylvania, New Jersey and New York.

There was lots and lots of heavy-duty machinery and lighting gear but not an astounding number of actuals workers at the sites I passed. I would also think, computer oriented as we are, that not a lot of internal staffing is required to handle reports, work orders, payroll other necessaries. If that is correct, even as much as I'd like the front struts and rear shocks on my old beater to be saved, then yeah -- it's a new day but the same old you know what.

As with the reprimands that went to corporations who used bailout money to provide bonuses, states may need a good talking to as wells over best use of stimulus funds. How the like should be put I can't say especially since some of that money may well be covering the extension I'm getting on my unemployment benefits one day due the jobs it hasn't yet helped to develop or return.

That said and getting back to vacuum cleaners . . .

No jobs -- no money. That is why I remain highly skeptical of any manufacturer's effort in producing less than practical product these days. Good times or bad, appliance and electronic devices in the home are going to break down. However, in hard times the first plan of action is repair, if possible. If not we will replace them with items new or used but either way replacement or repair only happen in accordance with our financial wherewithall to do so. You can't spend what you don't have. Money being a main issue, it usual to do that which is the most easily affordable and also most practical. If push comes to shove, I'll be cleaning out my car with a whisk broom.

Still too high but the best prices on the new Dyson doo-dads would have been $79.95 to $89.995. If any company these days can SUCCESSFULLY peddle non-necessities at noosebleed-high price Dyson is surely going to have to prove this one for me. If it succeds, I only ask to be informed who's buying them. I'd like to start making new friends.

Venson

CarmineD wrote:

hi carmine
But then again dyson  may survive.......we must not forget about  the ''DYSON ELITE''......a '' niche '' group of  dedicated  and loyal supporters....

 to  SIR JAMES and his '' niche ''vacuum ....but never mind the fact that some of those  '' DYSON ELITE '' dont own a dyson..never baught a dyson

or wont buy a dyson....hmmm.... yeah  thats got  '' LOYALTY ''  written all over it.....now with loyalty like that ,,how can dyson go wrong.

retardturtle1 wrote:
Let's be honest. Dyson has a right to exist the same as any other manufacturer. My complaint most times has to do with practicality, performance and price not only by way of Dyson which in the end is far less expensive than Miele, Bosch, Rainbow, Kirby, FQ, Miracle Mate and the Schoettler machines. So far none them are out of business either.

A person has the right to whatever brand or model vacuum strikes his or her fancy. However, if asked for a recommendation I will not lean on hype.

Venson

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson:

James was totally unprepared for the economic conditions existing in the world today.  The dyson business model, sales thru big box stores, which are suffering from the worse consumer buying recession since the Great Depression, is a very shakey sales venue right now.  The other brands you site have been tried and tested in the past and survived well.  Why?  Good business models to weather all economic conditions.  MIELE and BOSCH brands have the added benefits of  a diverse range of household appliances as well as the German engineering to boot.  James' business model puts the fate of the bulk of dysons' sales into the hands of third party big box retailers.  Same with dyson parts and repairs which rely on third party independent vacuum store owners and operators.  In hard times, these third party concerns are more concerned with their own survival and not that of a unrelated brand for which they have no vested interest in survival.

Carmine D. 

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'turtle1'

As a general rule customers loyal to a brand account for less than 10 percent of the brand's sales.  In fact, most companies will say flat out that that their loyal customers are not their bread butter.  This is true to form here where we hear loyal dyson buyers who have not purchased a new dyson since the DC07, or bought a DC15 from BEST BUY for $300 vice the $600 MSRP.  How many have sprung for a newer ball models?  Or a DDM model?  Or a DC28?   Why?  Performance concerns?  Prices too high?  Hard times don't allow the luxury of a new vacuum when the old is working okay?  All the above.  Time is ticking on dyson.  James needs to move quickly to reinvent the company and pricing its products.  Else doom and gloom for the ONE  billionaire dollar Brit [down from $2 B in 2006].

Carmine D.

Venson wrote:

i totally agree....and believe in freedom of choice.  never said  otherwise. ...but if you critisize all who dont have a dyson

or have a different outlook as you about a dyson  then at least own one.  just as i love riccar and panasonic, someone else may not.

and thats fine....i respect that . i also feel the other units you mentioned are of outstanding quality .build .performance .matierials .engineering...

all true high end units. that will outlast most if not all. but the price of those units is not  something id pay....no matter what.

when a customer asks my opinion..i give it. ..but its an honest one.  if i dont know much about a certain brand...then i say so.

i sell within their budget and stand by that sale.....i recommend what i know and feel to be the best choice for their needs.

i totally respect your view...and what  you have to say...and always will ...i do understand all your points ....but as ive said before''  i give dyson credit where credit is do.

but high end.....it is not....  but thats just my opinion.

Hello Venson, 'turtle1'

Dyson will survive but not as the dominant bagless vacuum product that many forecasted and predicted years ago when dyson came on the USA scene.  I recall dyson forum shills/supporters heralding dyson's rise to prominence over all other brands in the USA JUST AS IT DID IN THE UK.  These dyson advocates told us the vacuum consumers in the USA was no different than the UK.  In the last 7 plus years we may have learned that the UK vacuum consumers are no different than those in the USA.  Dyson is carving out a niche market at best and needs to be content with that status in the industry.  Not to impugn that achievement.  It's an accomplishment.  Just not quite on the same scale as dyson expected.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

hi carmine

i guess james will have to be content  with 1 billion...guess it beats being a millionaire..   yes i agree dyson will wedge himself into a small corner of the market.

and if his presence keeps all the comp on thier toes..all the better i say.  keeps things fresh.... From what i have seen and heard from customers

was that the dc7 was their favorite....as was it the dyson that had been given to me...and gave away. all others who bought the models after..disliked them.

complained..or just bought something else...no love.   I wish i knew more about the european market...it seems as if the uk is the place to be for some cool looking vacs.

i like dyson..the inventor....i like a few of his ideas...and i hope to see the ddm take off and   do all james said it would do ....id love to see the vac industry go to all digital hi power motors....dysons idea ? yes.      But without a doubt  his compitition will make a far more powerful version of it.....and top the charts as usual,

Hi 'turtle1'

According to Forbes magazine:  James was worth $2 B in 2006 [probably his best year for profitability]; $1.7 B in 2007 [the recession set in the last quarter of 2007], and $1.2 B in 2008 [officially th recession date is January 2008 and still].  Do you see which way the trend is going for dyson?  James may be in the millionaire class now in 2009.  Beyond?  Who knows?  Still not bad for him.  However, the wealth editor of the Forbes magazine who tracks and publishes the yearly list of the world's richest, says on record that the billionaires who fall are the ones who fall the hardest.   They get use to the perks and celebrity treatment.  When that goes away, they don't adjust very well. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

hi carmine

yeah i can see that...how a change like that can totally mess up  your chi....your happy place.

kinda like when my sweet  wife and i were dating and she'd come over and cook nice dinners all the time....now this is heaven id say...my hard workig man needs a good dinner  she'd say.

then oneday we got married.......... and now the cashiers at mcdonalds know us by name....so i myself havent ajusted very well either. hahaha

Does dyson have any plans at all ''to ever put a cord on this   [removeable  for  cordless  use]  Id see it  as a really good move. ..make it more universal 

OR is he going to sell it till its sales hit bottom....then revive it in another color w/ removeable cord...at a deep price cut? to stay close to the more powerful

half the price  corded comp ? or is everything dyson makes going to be and stay in the higher priced  niche category , that gets outperformed by all

at a much lower price.  With a very competitive price and A CORD.....i see this being dysons only product that can compete or has a chance at breaking loose of the niche lable.  

Hello 'turtle1'

A short history of McDonalds:  A purchase of 100 shares in April 1965 at $2200 by August 1987 resulted in 18,000 shares at $500,000 if the owner reinvested all the stock dividends into new shares.  One of my favorite places for coffee.  And I must admit I indulge in a big Mac and fries with a Coke every so often too. 

On the DC30 and DC31, a separate cord in a rewinder that can be attached and detached to the unit and not part of the held held weight when used with the cord.  Excellent idea.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

hi carmine

As a kid in the 80s i can remember dad saying how he wished he had a piece of mcdonalds...instead of NATIONAL / PAN-AM airlines....if only.

i had my product tester / evaluator [my wife]..try his handheld...watch a UT video.....thinks it looks like one of those SCUNCE steamers.....not too heavy but needs cord and hasnt much power beyond that of a small dustbuster her grandma used to have...willing to put up with a loud motor only if its got the power  / suction  to offset. but a larger  battery or much heavier version would make it heavy on wrist...overall / likes the look , doesnt mind emptying cup aft each use , needs detachable cord , power not on par with the price....way overpriced....get more for much less from its competitors.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'Turtle1'

Just as Wal*Mart has profited from the trading down effect of consumers during the the current economic downturn, so has McDonald's.  People accustomed to eating out weekly at Red Lobster, Appleby's, TGI Friday's, Ruby Tuesday, Olive Garden etc are doing frequenting fast food places like McDonalds.  Never to late to own it.  Ask yourself a question;  In 30 years what fast food eateries will still be around and doing well?  Mac's.  Mac's offers a "direct purchase' investment plan.  Investors can ante up as much as they want whenever they want and buy shares/fractions of shares of Mac's with very small if no buy commissions like those charged by the stock brokers.  Worth a look especially for parents who want to teach their children about stock/company ownership while squirreling away money for college.

James is desperate.  Pulling out all the stops and flooding the market with everything he's got now in hopes of pumping up sales.  It won't matter.  Like Venson cogently says, people aren't spending on expensive household appliances.  The goal among the working families, fearful of losing their jobs if they haven't already, is to keep things working with parts and repairs.  Dyson falls short there too with its vacuums oftentimes going unclaimed among repair shops and/or traded in for other brands.

Carmine D. 

The DC31 gets a nice write-up.  > http://www.igizmo.co.uk/articles/reviews/1652-lifestyle-dyson-dc31

DysonInventsBig wrote:

As usual you read with dyson color glasses.  The article points out all the same cons mentioned here aleady that rattled you up when posted:  Bin capacity, battery life and price.  "Only" as in 6 minutes with full power is not a "nice" feature, it's a big bad negative.  What's that about advising others to take a reading comprehension course?  Maybe you should too!  Like I say: Remove the timber from your eye before you criticize the splinter in your neighbor's eye.

Carmine D. 

DysonInventsBig wrote:
CarmineD wrote:
The DC31 was given 4 of 5 stars and the review reads...  1) "...can run at 104,000rpm and sucked like a face hugger from Aliens in our tests".  2) "...but when it comes to shifting dirt speedily and efficiently the Dyson DC31 blows away the competition".  You reported the negative only and omitted the positive.  You have a credibility issue and quoting scripture can't fix it.


DIB  

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Dyson dc31= fail

Not to much innovation lately from Jimmy and the merry band of engineers.Did the cam actuator prints get stolen from  CAM DYNAMICS OR COMPETITION CAMS..The airmuscle sounds like a new slogan for the W.W.E,

Does dyson get his cords from volex????????????????

regards

MOLE

DysonInventsBig wrote:

No DIB, quoting scripture, as in knowing the Word, is only half the mission.  The other half is putting it into practice in our daily lives. 

What you should have said was that this DC31 review is balanced, pointing out the good and bad.  Nice is not a good description for a new product review.  It gives the wrong impression.  After all these years here and reading my posts to you, you disappoint me just like Dave dyson.

Carmine D.

You can now register for more info on the release of the DC31 here on the US website...

Does the Dyson have an extension hose to allow you to get into tight spaces?   While I haven't used one, the Dyson looks awkward to use in the tight spaces of a car.  I much prefer a canister vacuum, preferably with a small motorized brush.   It would seem that the Dyson would get heavy since all of the weight is in your hands while you clean, compared to a canister vac in which you only hold the hose and/or tools. 

Instead of a toy handheld, give us a small canister/shop vac with cyclone technology for $100 to clean out the car.  

<BR> Severus wrote: <BR>

My God, Severus what do you want? A practical machine? Something that might appear to be worth the money asked; tne price of a fairly decent straight suction canister vacuum? Those guys just don't think that way. They like hanging out on the lunatic about a pint-sized battery run machine that has what the whole world needs -- "cyclonics". I wish I was on whatever they're on.

Best,

Venson

Venson wrote:

Or perhaps a bagless vac-shop tupe cann with hose/attachments and a handheld side kick bagless for quick pickups in cordless and corded modes [with a cordwinder].  Now that's innvovation, not this other sugar coated dyson bull shine pawned off as high tech innovation.  Captures all the markets: garages, workshops, cars, boats, handy-men, quick cleanups around the house, etc.  For the price of the DC31, am I asking too much?  Come on dyson and your 475 high paid engineers, get creative and practical for change.  You might actually get a mega winner for real.  Not just in the minds and eyes of your paid product pushers.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I'll bet those unemployeed hoover engineers wish they had been employed by Dyson. 

HARDSELL wrote:

How do you know they aren't?

Carmine D.

Severus wrote:

Yes, a hose is offered for $20, as well as a cleaning kit for $60. And you can use any of the newer "snap-on" dyson attachments with the hose as well.

CarmineD wrote:

Because the are not technical savy.  No experience beyond 40's ingenuity.

CarmineD wrote: HARDSELL wrote:
James Dyson has often said he will not hire engineers from competing companies.  And why should he?  DIB

CarmineD wrote: HARDSELL wrote:

James Dyson has often said he will not hire engineers from competing companies.  And why should he?  DIB

*****************************************************************************************************************************

You know DIB, all companies say this.  It's the party line.  None practice it.  They all hire from their competition.  In fact it's viewed as a victory to hire away the competition's best and brightest.  James is no different.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hoover did not last long as competition.  Dyson busted em.

CarmineD wrote:

Bright Hoover engineer is an oxymoron.  Like I said James did not want them as the had nothing to offer.

HARDSELL wrote:

You're right.  If talent and experience and knowledge are viewed as nothing to offer, it's understandable that dyson sells a toy handheld with 6 minute charge for close to $300 and thinks it's innovative.  As the reviews said: Pricey, small bin, short battery charge.  What part of this is innovative beside the price? 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

The 6 minute run time.  May be a first in the industry. 

Or does it only take 6 minutes to charge vs hrs. to charge?

HARDSELL wrote:

For $300, you're right!  Remember even in low suction mode it's approximate 10 minute time is shorter than the less expensive handhelds on the market today.  Sorry, doesn't get the prize except for highest price.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

Why would he/they hire from a pool of innovative-inept?


DIB

Venson wrote:
DIB

Hello Venson and hello to your alter ego...  Severus.  Who you kiddin?

If you compare apples to apples (performance of cordless handhelds), NOTHING COMES CLOSE to the DC31/31's performance.  Forget about price, can you name cordless handheld that outperforms this vacuum?  And Dyson owns the world wide rights or he owns the world wide exclusive.  No other competitor can touch Dyson's weight to power, the patented DDM, the patented and best packaged (small) hi/low cyclonic’s no-clogging dust separators (the DC16 is a phenomenal filtering machine), the patented pistol grip.  Pistol grips are standards in the construction and DIY industry because it's the best place to hold onto to maneuver and point.


DIB

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine, no argument when I think you are right.  This may be the 2nd time we have agreed.

I believe someone eluder to preferring a canister (full sized I assume) with attachments. That is not always practical as some mentioned no electrical outlets where the vac was needed.

I have a Euro pro plug in (hand Held) that will remove dirt, dust, pebbles and such as good or better than any full size I have used.  It is a pain in the arsh to beat the dust out of the cloth bag and the heppa screen bag is a bigger pain to clean.

So how does it do on a sofa with animal hair stuck into the fabric?.Lets see you BOZO'S get around this one.

How come most of the dyson reviews always end with its worth every penny i paid for it?

MOLE

mole wrote:

Repeat after me.  Because they like it.  You should be aware that smart people buy and recommend what they like regardless of what others buy/suggest. I do not see how it could be any worse than using the hose on a Hoover or the hand held Oreck.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
DIB,

Alter ego? I don't thinks so. I have no time for that kind of nonsense. Rest assured that there's only one of me -- and be glad.

Anyway, there you go ranting and raving again which to me makes any argument you raise allegedly on Dyson's behalf all the more useless as far as I am concerned.

Forget price? Heck no! The price of these Dyson doo-dads, I repeat, far surpasses the price of a decent, lightweight canister vacuum (with better suction) that I ccould use to clean out the car and do a little work at home with too. As well, a $40.00 B&D rechargeable handheld will take you just as far AND you can have a great dinner out off the money saved.

As for cleaning ability, all ten minutes of it, I am sorry but over time you have not much conviced me that you know much about cleaning in general or that you have a good understanding as to how to go about it effectively. So, pardon me if I am not prone to taking your word.

If you want to help Dyson -- do them a favor and don't.

Venson

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

As usual you're WRONG!  Severus has a long storied history on all the vacuum forums going back years before dyson and you.  While Venson is relatively new to this Forum and here only for a few years.  You're right in one respect.  Both Severus and Venson are reasonable thinking/buying consumers of vacuums who didn't fall prey to the dyson party line, like some here did/do.  Severus goes back to the days of questioning dysons when TOM DUALCYCLONE MOTORHEAD GASKO was playing the part for dyson that you do here now: Poster child.  I suspect he'll still be here along with Venson when you and dyson are long gone. 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

Keep up.  We're talking about hiring the best and brightest engineers from outside of dyson not inside.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
CarmineD wrote:
The “best and brightest?”  What brand and model [utility patented] vacuum could be mechanically proven to be the best and brightest? 

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hi DIB:

We're talking engineers here.  People not products.  But I'll answer your question in light of handhelds since we are discussing handhelds here.  Since the Youtube video by James targets the $60 B&D pivot vac [the number one choice in handheld by Consumer Reports] as the leading competition, I would vote for it at the price over yours.  I also added that HOOVER/TTI platinum handheld with accucharge, and the energy award, for $120 excels over your infamous brand. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote: Carmine,

We’re talking engineers who’s job it is to make far superior [utility patent/s] products?  The two products you mention mechanically perform exactly alike or nearly alike... hardly requiring the best and brightest.  The best and brightest DO NOT seek jobs [and its accompanying low pay scale] with the innovative-inept.

DIB

So James and all his 475 engineers target the Black & Decker $60 handheld in its Youtube video, why?  And dyson costs $250-$270 plus $60 for attachments?

Because it's afforadble and rated the best by Consumer Reports in its class.  Best as in best and brightest.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I love it!  You could not answer my question. 

So the cheaper (more affordable) a product is, this proves it was created by the best and brightest.  B&D's willingness to except low margins (because it sells commodities that can be copied freely by others, so they have to except this reality) this is the core reason the product is "affordable".  Nice try though.


DIB

DIB:

I didn't put the $60 B&D pivot vac on the wall for comparison to dyson's $250 handheld.  Sir James did.  He pointed to it as the leader, and so does Consumer Reports.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I'm just taking your advise - I’m trying to “keep up”...
I say B&D does not put their “best and brightest” in their vacuum division.  I say B&D does not have [utility patented] breakout inventions coming from their vacuum division.  I say the vacuum division is void of the best and brightest.  I say B&D vac engineers have proven they offer nothing remarkably innovative and so Dyson would never hire these innovative-inept.  What say you?


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
CarmineD wrote:
I gotta give you all credit...  you cons always stick together.  Carmine, can you explain how Severus and Venson log in at the exact same times and have done so for the past two years?  I understand you have no credibility and have nothing to loose, but I believe Venson is a vacuum clubber and needs the respect of his peers.  You two just could not shut up.  Amazing.
DIB

DIB,

Hoover has always been very good at carpet cleaning, which is Dyson's biggest deficiency.   Dyson may know how to design a vacuum that maintains suction, but it seems to have no clue how to design the agitation to get the dirt vibrated out of the rug.  In head to head tests, most Dyson uprights get whipped by a 4amp Oreck carpet sweeper.  Dyson engineers have very little experience with American style carpeting.  Carmine has pointed out the deficiencies due to the lack of height adjustment and the nozzle design.  Hoover engineers could teach Dyson about the balance between air flow, nozzle design, height adjustment and carpet agitation.    Hoover has also got experience with self-propulsion of vacuums.  So yes, I think Dyson could benefit from hiring Hoover engineers. 

 

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB,

You're love of James Dyson is truly amazing.    

In the real world:  (1) price does matter, (2) suction by itself doesn't clean all that well, and (3) 5-10 minutes isn't enough time to finish most jobs.   I can't imagine anyone in the construction business buying one of these toys.  It has so little practical value it's incredible.  This hand vacuum is best suited for display by Dyson lovers than actual use.   The $300 Dyson hand held is designed for display in a glass case.     Most people don't have money for a $300 upright, let alone a $300 dustbuster.    I can't imagine anyone paying more than $75 for a hand held vacuum - unless its gold plated.

By the way, how often do you polish your Dyson?   

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

It's one thing to be make a mistake and admit it and apologize like a reasonable person would.  Quite another to be told of the mistake and do it over again!  There are names for people like you.  You know them already and it's probably the reason you are not in the restaurant business with your father.

Carmine D.

Severus wrote:

I opine that its at least the same number of times a day he cleans the brown stuff off his nose for having it stuck so far up where the sun doesn't shine on Sir James!

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Well, DIB believe what you want. I have already told you that I don't involve myself in that kind of nonsense. That is why I use my real name -- Venson Thomas -- instead of an online moniker so that there may be no doubt in regard to my own opinion as to what I see as good or bad.

In any event, there's a saying -- "If a person argues with a fool, who's the bigger fool?"

Have good day,

Venson

Venson wrote:
Well, this "fool" took screen snaps of Severus' and Venson's log in times.  Venson, I couldn’t care less how or why you do the things you do.  I'm here to expose the pathetic underbelly of bad-mouthing of Dyson by non-Dyson dealers, bad-mouthing of Dyson by authorized-Dyson dealers and bad-mouthing Dyson by collectors, enthusiasts, frustrated workbench and garage tinkers and the jealous of Sir James Dyson’s success individuals.  I've had a good time.

Going after my credibility?  Shall I upload the screen snaps?

Shhhhhhh


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote: <BR>


DIB, hold up as many screen shots as you want. You are calling me a liar and I expect you to show what you see as proof of that. However, be sure to show not one, not two but all that's there plus everyone who's been logged in the same time as myself.

Also make me even happier by checking with either this site's moderator, webmaster or administrator to establish where the posts you question emanate from.

I know thoroughly well that you are not concerned as regards my point of view and, truthfully, neither am I as to yours. And, like you -- I don't care. Therefore rant and rave all you want. Your accusations, illusions and flights of fancy discredit you, not me, and make your opinion all the more easy to dismiss.

Venson

DysonInventsBig wrote:
DIB,

Please do upload the screen snaps.   I do hope to understand your logic and thought process in proving that I am Venson.   

Do you have access to someone local who could talk to you about your compulsive Dyson disorder?   I am very concerned about your mental health.   Your last post sounds like you're about to have a breakdown, and that's just not healthy. 

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

No one does as good a job of impugning your credibilty than you with your idiotic posts and outlandish allegations.  You are in dire need of R & R:  rehabilitation and recovery.  You're losing it DIB.

Carmine D. 

Severus wrote:
I love the anti-Dyson and rock-throwing at Dyson battles we have here.  I want to preserve that.  Although I have tired of the Venson/Severus Q&A's (to each other) posts and I hope it stops.


DIB

<BR> DysonInventsBig wrote:
I've been doing "Q&A" with whomever on this and the prior forum for a number of years and won't be stopping as long as God grants breath and a lampost to plug into.

The "Q%A's" help keep things in their proper perspective. But what would I know -- I'm a liar.

Venson

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

You made a threat to expose Venson and Severus.  They accepted and challenged you.  Now do it as you said you would or apologize for your complete foolishness and idiosy.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Dearest Carmine,

I can always count on you to stick your nose where it does not belong.  Creature of habit, I guess.

DIB

DIB:

I'm the one who told you that they are separate people and posters.  So my nose is in this one to stay.  It's time for you to put your money where your words are. 

CarmineD wrote:
Thank you Carmine but there's no apology expected on my part. DIB's proved my point and I'm satisfied to let it go at that. Life is too short and I've more important things to worry myself over.

Best,

Venson

Hello Venson:

I fully understand the reasons DIB has his nose where it is and not in his father's restaurant businesses.  

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Would you like to compare your business to the restaurants?  I'd love to.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

I have long wondered and asked you.  Now I know the reasons that your father and you are not in the restaurant businesses together. 

Where's your proof about Severus and Venson?  You threatened.  They accepted.  I dared you!  What have you got to say/show for yourselff?

Carmine D.

DIB:

I am going to stay on you here about Severus and Venson until you show me what you got.  You can count on it, dyson buddy. 

Carmine D.

Venson wrote:

Well, this "fool" took screen snaps of Severus' and Venson's log in times.  Venson, I couldn’t care less how or why you do the things you do.  I'm here to expose the pathetic underbelly of bad-mouthing of Dyson by non-Dyson dealers, bad-mouthing of Dyson by authorized-Dyson dealers and bad-mouthing Dyson by collectors, enthusiasts, frustrated workbench and garage tinkers and the jealous of Sir James Dyson’s success individuals.  I've had a good time.

Going after my credibility?  Shall I upload the screen snaps?

Shhhhhhh

DIB

CarmineD wrote:
Feel free.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Where's your proof DIB?  We're all waiting to see you back up your words!  Can you back up your words?

Carmine D.

Do i have this all strait now,Severus is Venson,Carmine is MOLE,  D.I.B.is dyson himself,motorhead is hardsell, Gasko is really Larry the cable quy, Dusty is Herman Munster, Just is Da ve Orecks twin uncle.

Trebor is really Harpo Marks, Retard 1 turtle is Boss HOOVER , Airblade is  Matt mmc, but really works as ambassador to  france,

I'm lost but if i happen to show up here before i get back please tell me to wait .
\


I know Venson, TRUST ME HE;S THE ONE AND ONLY, Man o man what a place this would be with 2 of him...............


regards

MOLE  J.P.

mole wrote:
WOW...I NEED A BEER

mole wrote:

Mole, stop inhaling those exhaust fumes.

See ya,

John Force

mole wrote:
Hmmm,

Trust me when I say...  the webmaster knows the location of all who login via IP addresses.  They can end this hogwash, that is... they can single out and end any one person using multiple-usernames (personalities). - This was a problem on a popular collector site and it was addressed (stopped), and rightfully so.  Does anyone have a problem with only one username per poster (per person)?  I changed my name from No Loss of Suction to DysonInventsBig.  Why?  More non-Dyson no loss vac’s were coming online and I did not want to be associated with non-Dyson vacuums, so I switched and problem solved.  FYI, the webmaster can handle individuals who use more than one username and can do it without anyone loosing face.

Carmine, I'm no shrink and I'm not sure why you have nose troubles.  Proverbs 17:28: "Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue".


DIB

Boy, you all are some real "vac enthusiasts".  Get a grip, they are only vacuum cleaners.  I have said it before, dyson will continue and so will HOOVER and ORECK.  I swear some of you defend a company like it was your own and defend  more than the true owners.  

I have done an IP address search a long time ago, on most of you.  When someone new comes on, I search their IP address.  I was not sure about Severus, so I looked.  He lives in a completely different state than Venson Thomas.  I do not even think Severus is on as many times a day as Venson Thomas is.  As for Motorhead, well he is not T.G. 

You do not want to post under different screen names on this forum, because it shows that you are trying to deceive.  Have one name or the other, but not multiples.  If you have to go through all of that, to get your point across, you really do not have a point.  We will see if there are multiple names and it will not be kept a secret.  You will be kicked out of here.

Mike_W wrote:

My apologies Motor Head for saying and thinking you were.  Thanks Mike for clearing it up for me and setting the record straight. 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Like I told you DIB, it's one thing to know the Word and quite another to practice in our daily lifes.  I have always recoined the above Proverb and stated as follows:  It's better to stay quiet and appear to be dumb, than open your mouth and remove all doubt.  I follow that saying.  More should.

Carmine D.

DIB:

The person with their nose in the part of Sir James anatomy where the sun never shines, shouldn't comment on others' noses and where they are.

I keep telling you:  Before you criticize the splinter in your neighbor's eye, remove the timber from your own.

Where's your proof now DIB?  Can't  back up your words can you?

Carmine D.

Thank you Mike. Thank you Carmine.

Venson

My pleasure Venson.

Carmine D.

Mike_W wrote:

Mike, Is there any way to see if some have multiple personalities although only one user name?

CarmineD wrote:

You remove all doubt daily.  

CarmineD wrote:

I’m fine with Mike’s explanation, no one lost face, not even me.  Like I said, you've got nose trouble.


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Actually DIB, as I explained here on several occasions, I have an extra keen sense of smell.  Fragrance and perfume counters are my forte.  Then again you can't smell the wondrous fragrances in nature if you have your nose so far up a part of James' anatomy where the sun never shines.

While you may think you haven't lost face, you bit off your nose to spite your face.  You have falsely accused two of the most honorable gentlemen posters here on the Forum: Venson and Severus.  When they challenged you, you cowered like a scared chicken and ran to the Forum administrator for assistance.  Then given the proof that you were wrong did not do the right thing by apologizing for your errors.  Even worse than being a dyson pawn here is to have no scruples and integrity in the exercise of your pawn duties.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Intelligence and wisdom have a way of coming through even on Forums.  Thank you for noting and saying!

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Says you.


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

That's right.  Says me.  Unlike you here, I speak for myself not Sir James.  And I call it like it is.  DC31 for $250-$300 not counting a $60 set of attachments is an insult to the handhelds of the vacuum industry today.  I suspect the only ones ever to get sold will be the ones that gifted away to dyson pawns and then resold for a fraction of the price in the after market sales.  What do you think?  Never mind.  Don't answer.  You'll give the dyson party line: sugar coated bull shine.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

HI CARMINE

Does dyson have any plans at all  for a cord...detachable? i saw a demo today of it on you tube.....no way -no how  thats  $300 worth  of  vacuum .

to me i see no more power than in the little shark hand vac ...$25,  poss even a riccar gem.$30......w/attatchments and cord ...besides the ddm..

where does this h-vac excell beyond belief to justify the price.....thats half the price of his uprights.

CarmineD wrote:
retardturtle1 wrote:
Retardturtle,

Don’t think all think like you do, or have the financial constraints or financial beliefs you do.  There’s plenty who want the best and can easily afford or justify paying for something RADICALLY BETTER THAN ANYTHING in its [cordless handled/no loss of suction] class.


DIB

So DIB,

How many Dyson hand helds do you plan to buy?  Will you be handing them out as Christmas presents this year?

*******   

As an aside, I wonder who actually buys most hand held vacuums.  Dirt Devil typically does heavy advertising at Christmas.    I suspect that most are purchased as gifts.  You need a gift for someone who seems to have everything, so you buy something like a hand held vacuum for $25-$75, the cheaper the better. 

If you already own a Dyson, you have  a vacuum with better suction and  tools  than a little hand vac.  In fact, Dyson seems to pride itself on having nice attachments.   You've got to be a real Dyson enthusiast to buy a hand held Dyson.  I suspect that you'd have to have much more money than sense to buy one.  Again, these Dysons are designed as pieces of art to be put in a display case.  Sales will be dismal given the current economic conditions. 

I hope that James can count on DIB to boost his sales of Dyson hand vacs this Christmas.  Otherwise it will be a very blue Christmas at the Dyson house.






DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello turtle1 & Severus:

I agree with you.  James is in a fantasy land not the real world.

For a supposed loyal dyson advocate here who purchased one and only display dyson, a DC15, years ago from BEST BUY for $300 on clearance, I can't/don't see DIB giving many $300 dyson handhelds as Christmas gifts, even to himself.  The only way he'd get one is to talk it up here and hope/pray that James/dyson gifts him one for his efforts.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB

i see your point..but just cause you paid top dollar doesnt mean your getting top dollar...  it just means they found a group of people to pay that high price... Financial constraints....we all have them in some way or another ,well [most of us]do.,...say you pay $600 for certain product....i pay $150 for  one that lasts just as long-just as durable-same or better perf...at a fraction of the cost.....best bang for the buck.  you paid more  but didnt get more....my financial beliefs are simple. i believe id rather put my money in the bank and save for the future  , shop smarter.....and not overspend....a little [ self ] financial constraint  goes a long way in todays economy.

turtle1

Hello turtle1:

The same non-sensical dyson arguments were made about the DC16, they would sell despite the $200 price tag and 5 minute charge.  I didn't see much real life evidence of this.  In fact quite the opposite.  Most retailers ended up gifting them away to get rid of them, including James/dyson.  What makes James/dyson think the DC30/31 is any different, especially with the worsening economics and better less expensive competition.  P.T. Barnum had a word for people who act according to DIB's beliefs. 

Carmine D.

For the dyosn non-believers, the appliance manager at the largest BEST BUY retailer of dysons on the east coast, told me dyson's DC16 were returned more quickly and in greater numbers than any other vacuum it ever sold, save the DC11.

Carmine D.

Here is the Dirt Devil/Royal hand cleaner that sells for $39.  Paper bag conversion kit another $10-$15 if preferred.  20 foot cord.  Revolving brush.  Includes on board tools.  DD boasts over 30 MILLION sold and counting.

Excellent for carpeted steps, autos, quick pick ups, you name it.  4 amps.  about 5 pounds.  This is the reincarnated original Dirt Devil hand held that goes back over 50 years and that all the others still copy. 

Excellent for gift giving.

Carmine D.

Hi Carmine,

You're right. This little hand vacuum is ageless. The design is unique in that Royal was able to center the bag at the back of the machine. Competitors like GE, Westinghouse and Hamilton Beach had their bags set off to the right side. Though the direct-air Hoover Pixie used the same idea it did not have a revolving brush.

These were great to have in the days before mini-nozzles and turbo-tools. Many people used them not only for furniture but to clean stair carpeting as opposed to taking on the job with their full-size vacuums.

And here it is today -- still simple, practical and still nicely priced. Remarkable.

Best,

Venson

CarmineD wrote: HI CARMINE

So true....small powerhouse......durable as heck and not really loud...the only time we see these is for a belt install....great gift idea....way under $200 at that ,anyone can afford one or gift one.

CarmineD wrote:

HI CARMINE

i just came from big lots....saw some of the dc-16 hand vacs.......$80.  and the shelf was packed with them.  havent held one in a while. forgot how small they are.

wasnt charged so no try outs.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'turtle1'

Probably a more appropriate price [$80] for this dyson handheld.  Throw in the $60 attachments free with the purchase and they might even sell.

The past price and performance history of the Royal/Dirt Devil handcleaners [at least here in the USA] programs/shocks hand vacuum consumers when they see the prices of dyson's DC16/30/31.  Whoa!  $300 not counting $60 for attachments.  You gotta be kidding.  The mindset among buyers is:  What makes this worth so much??????  Will they buy into the dyson digital motor spin?  I, as a retired vacuum industry professional who saw first hand the makes/models that Venson spoke about, don't and won't.  I can't expect them too and/or make them think I do to justify the outrageous price/sales.  Knowing full well that I sold Royal/Dirt Devil [metal in the early version] handcleaners for over 40 years, by request only, and believe them worth the price for performance by leaps and bounds over dyson's latest and greatest. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

HI CARMINE

but still...$80 .   for a few minutes at best. ...not worth it.  same perf as the rest but at higher cost....not going to find power and perf in a corless vac....not even the ddm version is worth it.... corded is where its at....even at $20-40 youll find a handheld that will outperform the ddm version....and run till your done cleaning....and last as long.

By the time this old tired dog, the DD is plugged in and converted to fit a nozzle the DC16's vacuumed the same job and is back in its charging base.  Pistol grip supersedes top mounted grips, the DC16 can be pointed/maneuvered into more places than any top grip, this is why pistol grips have been standard in the tool industry since Black and Decker invented the pistol grip drill.  And for the penny pinchers...  why spend hard earned pennies on this dog when the already paid for upright w/ hose/wand or canister that's sitting unused and in the closet?  And it can do the job better (out perform) the DD and at a zero [extra] cost...  more pennies saved.

Hey Carmine, why not print these two pictures and walk up and down the floors at Best Buy and the canvas the parking lots of Cosco's and ask folks what’s the quickest way to do a “quick clean-up”?

DIB 

P.S.  Did DD ever fix the massive air leak where the door covers the brushroll?

DIB:

Let me repeat this for you again v-e-r-y   s-l-o-w-l-y  so you can get it once and for all.  This is the second time in the last few days I posted this and probably have done so a dozen times but as usual you just don't get it. 

The appliance manager at the BEST BUY store that sells more dysons on the east coast than any other retailer told me in front of the store manager that dyson's DC16 was the quickest and most returned vacuum product its ever sold except for the DC11.  BEST BUY stores and its customers have made up their mind already about your product.  It gets the worse rating of all the hand helds sold at BEST BUY stores.  BTW, the Black & Decker pivot vacuum, by James/dyson's own admission is the product that the DC30/31 are chasing, gets 5 stars.

Carmine D.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'turtle1'

Agree.  As a do-it-yourselfer myself I would welcome the opportunity to buy and use a product that would allow home/car/garage project clean-ups.  No doubt this is the buying market James tarhets for the DC16/30/31.  But at the prices $200-$300 w/o attachments for the laughable performance dyson succeeds only in marketing a product that looks and works best in a display case.  I wonder how many DIB owns and how often he dusts them/display cases they reside in.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
The DC16 does score higher on Amazon than the DD you picture.

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

Type/talk slow as you want, it makes no difference to me.

What do you find most difficult about my question and why do you avoid it? - It’s a fair [consumer] question.

I’ll repeat the question...  Using the DD illustration, what would consumers find faster and easier at cleaning this door rail?
1)  Plugging the DD into an outlet and converting to fit a nozzle and if the rail is longer then it's requires two hands to get the job done OR...
2)  Snapping a nozzle into a DC16 and pulling the trigger and using only one hand regardless of the job requirements?


DIB

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

True but get real.  Dyson's handheld for $200 [and now even more] price tag is the highest price for a handheld in the vacuum industry.  It merits a  3.5 star rating out of a possible 5.  That's mediocre and laughable.  Highest price should command highest rating.  The DD Ultra on the other hand for $29.95 scores 2.5 stars.  At least DD gives buyers/users theri money's worth for the purchase.  This is what matters to consumers.  They want their money's worth out of their vacuum purchases.

Carmine D.