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jrtrebor


Location: Michigan - 3 hours north of Chicago on the lake
Joined: Feb 10, 2010
Points: 539

Snow Commander... Throwing distance answers coming soon, I hope!
Original Message   Feb 23, 2013 10:22 pm
Well I couldn't let it go.
It was just bugging me why the thing was so pitiful when it came to it's throwing distance.
So a few days ago I removed the steel that formed the center hub around the auger shaft.
Then made plates to support the center of the paddles and welded them in place.
Now it looks like most of the other Toro SS blowers out there.

Tried it out, and it really didn't make much if any difference in the distance.
And it had no effect on the engine performance.
So back into the garage we went.
Decided there was only one more thing to modify.
So I removed the stock pulley and replaced it with a stock pulley from another Toro SS.
Most of the pulley's are the same. But I think it may have come off a CCR 2000.
The stock SC pulley is 7 1/2" in diameter.
The replacement one is just a little less than 6" call it 5 7/8"
So a full 1 1/2" smaller.

Now the blower is set up just like most other Toros out there and the impeller
will be running at the same RPM as those blowers.

The really good news was that after I measured what new belt length I was going to need.
I found a great and helpful belt supplier on line.
vbeltsupply.com
I gave them the measurements told them what I needed and they said no problem.
$21.00 ($10 for the belt $11 shipping) and four hours later it was on it's way.
I should get it Monday afternoon.  So by Monday night I should know something.
It will be interesting to see how the added auger RPM directly effects the throwing distance.
And how the engine responds.  Removing the center hub steel plates probably dropped off
about 6 or seven pounds.  We'll see!

 


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MN_Runner


Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Joined: Dec 5, 2010
Points: 622

Re: Snow Commander... Throwing distance answers coming soon, I hope!
Reply #1   Feb 24, 2013 9:07 am
If you, jrtrebor, can get your Commander to blow like a boss, please send the video to Toro along with the modification information.  Toro could use your brain and expertise on how to improve their potent SS models. 
hirschallan


If it aint broke don't fix it !!


Location: Northern Hills of NY
Joined: Aug 25, 2005
Points: 327

Re: Snow Commander... Throwing distance answers coming soon, I hope!
Reply #2   Feb 24, 2013 1:21 pm
At JRTREBOR, How do you break lose that stock pulley. I tried to make a good ss out of several units but can't/don't know how to loosen that stock pulley. How do you hold back without destroying it and which hand is the thread,left or right??

jrtrebor


Location: Michigan - 3 hours north of Chicago on the lake
Joined: Feb 10, 2010
Points: 539

Re: Snow Commander... Throwing distance answers coming soon, I hope!
Reply #3   Feb 24, 2013 1:57 pm
hirschallan wrote:
At JRTREBOR, How do you break lose that stock pulley. I tried to make a good ss out of several units but can't/don't know how to loosen that stock pulley. How do you hold back without destroying it and which hand is the thread,left or right??

It's regular RH threads.  I usually use a small air impact to remove the bolt.
But you can just use a socket or wrench.  You can grab the auger shaft with
a pipe wrench to hold it.  Or wedge something in the auger and paddles.
Put a wrench on the bolt and give it a good swift hit with a hammer or mallet.
That will usually break the bolt loose.  Some of them have Blue Loc-tite on them.
hirschallan


If it aint broke don't fix it !!


Location: Northern Hills of NY
Joined: Aug 25, 2005
Points: 327

Re: Snow Commander... Throwing distance answers coming soon, I hope!
Reply #4   Feb 24, 2013 2:01 pm
Thanks, I'll give it a try this week and report back.

sboricic


Joined: Jan 9, 2011
Points: 5

Re: Snow Commander... Throwing distance answers coming soon, I hope!
Reply #5   Feb 25, 2013 7:11 am
Have you looked into "Clarence Impeller Kit"? http://smllengns.tripod.com/ I made my own with some old rubber from an assembly line and it works great. There are videos on You Tube of others that have installed the kit to show how it works.
borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: Snow Commander... Throwing distance answers coming soon, I hope!
Reply #6   Feb 25, 2013 8:45 am
sboricic wrote:
Have you looked into "Clarence Impeller Kit"? http://smllengns.tripod.com/ I made my own with some old rubber from an assembly line and it works great. There are videos on You Tube of others that have installed the kit to show how it works.

Does he make kits for single stage machines?

That's what we're talking about here, single stage Toro Snow Commander.
sboricic


Joined: Jan 9, 2011
Points: 5

Re: Snow Commander... Throwing distance answers coming soon, I hope!
Reply #7   Feb 25, 2013 8:53 am
This is the info I got from the website. The only snowblowers it will not fit are the smaller single stage ( the ones with the rubber on the auger ) and is not recommended for 2 stage snowblowers with the plastic impeller. More info is available on the website. http://smllengns.tripod.com/index.html
GtWtNorth


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Location: https://t.me/pump_upp
Joined: Nov 16, 2008
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Re: Snow Commander... Throwing distance answers coming soon, I hope!
Reply #8   Feb 25, 2013 9:19 am
your photo reminded me of a question I have about my CCR2000, & I wonder if it affects your machine as well. The "flat" on the impeller seems to be wider than the exit opening for the chute.



That means snow would be thrown out the front instead of out the chute. Could that be affecting performance?

Borat, would you look at your best ss machine(s) and see how those impellers are shaped & let us know. Thanks

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jrtrebor


Location: Michigan - 3 hours north of Chicago on the lake
Joined: Feb 10, 2010
Points: 539

Re: Snow Commander... Throwing distance answers coming soon, I hope!
Reply #9   Feb 25, 2013 11:24 am
GtWtNorth wrote:
your photo reminded me of a question I have about my CCR2000, & I wonder if it affects your machine as well. The "flat" on the impeller seems to be wider than the exit opening for the chute.
That means snow would be thrown out the front instead of out the chute. Could that be affecting performance?
Borat, would you look at your best ss machine(s) and see how those impellers are shaped & let us know. Thanks

The center area of the paddle is wider than the chute opening.

But the upper interior portion of the blower housing itself, just below the
chute opening is funnel shaped.
That shape is what allows the snow to flow up and out of the chute.
This message was modified Feb 25, 2013 by jrtrebor
borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: Snow Commander... Throwing distance answers coming soon, I hope!
Reply #10   Feb 25, 2013 4:51 pm
The Craftsman/Murray/MTD paddles are very much different than the Toro paddles. 

Here's a link with a pic I posted a while back:

http://www.abbysguide.com/ope/discussions/63067-0-1.html
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