Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Is it TTI or still Panasonic?

mark40511 wrote:

Short of taking apart and cleaning, I suggest:  With a new bag installed, pre-motor filter in place, remove the post motor, or exhaust filter.  With vacuum running, stop the suction opening by cupping your hand over it.  Remove your hand and continue repeating the hand blocking procedure.  Note if and how much dirt is coming out of the exhaust opening of the vacuum.  If dirt is doing so, continue running, using your hand to block the suction opening and unblock the opening until all/most of the dirt emitted from the exhaust subsides. 

Carmine D. 

Of course it goes without saying that the above procedure for clearing the motor compartment dirt is done outdoors. 

WRT terminology, the bag collar is the cardboard/plastic part of the bag that slips on and locks into the vacuum's bag holder.  If the collar is coming off [the bag not the bag holder] then the the problem is a defective bag.  Usually the glue holding the collar on the bag is stale, insuffient, and won't hold.  If the bag collar is slipping off/out of the bag holder, as is your case, the bag is not made securely enough to be used in your vacuum, without modification.  Hence, I recommend using the Ultracare brand of bags in your case.  But it's up to you.

Carmine D.

Carmine

The cardboard collar that is PART of the bag itself did NOT come off the bag. That's not defective at all. When changing the bag in the Kenmore can you slip the bag collar over the piece that accepts the bag. There is no "locking" but it feels like it's on there really good. When I opened the canister to change the bag, it was as if someone had just taken the vacuum bag and just placed it in the bag compartment WITHOUT even putting it on the canisters bag slider thingy or whatever its called. But I'm the only one that uses this vacuum and am very careful (especially since this has happened in the past) to put it on very securely. Though when sliding the bag onto the unit there really is NO locking that I can see, it just slides into place. It's very strange and I can't figure out how this has happened to me...........This last time I actually put mailing tape on the red thing that accepts the collar and the cardboard collar hoping that will keep it from sliding off. I even tugged the bag pretty hard and it's on there really good. So if it comes off this time, I give up. Now I'm paranoid every time I use it

This is a BLUE Kenmore from like three years ago. It's still a Panasonic.

mark40511 wrote: mark40511 wrote:

Mark, I figured all this out, more or less from our message exchanges.  The problem is not the vacuum but the Envirocare bags.  These are made to fit your Kenmore cann and are less expensive than the Ultracare brand bags, which are the original Kenmore brand bags for your vacuum and more expensive.  I have my own thoughts and feelings about replacement bags made to fit brands and models which I have expressed here on many occasions. 

There are a number of reasons this bag is not working:  The cardboard collar caves with use and as the bag fills with dirt.  Probaly not strong enough.  The cloth/paper bags should have a plastic collar which will not degrade with usage BUT these plastic collars are best served when they lock into the bag holder channel.  Can't with yours.  So, its a catch 22 with your vacuum if you continue to use the bags. 

Hopefully, you can get most of the dirt that by-passed the bag and pre-motor filter out of the motor compartment.  This shopuld give you another 2-3 years usage from this Kenmore cann.  Especially, if you don't use it that much and share the duties with your other vacuums. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

mark40511 wrote:
The vacuum cleaner bags, for the Kenmore/Panasonic vacuum cleaners will lock into place.  There is a raised plastic ring on the underside of the bag holder.  When you slide the bag collar on the holder, slide it all the way down until you feel a little "click", you know the bag is in place.  When you try to pull the bag out, it should not come out.  You have to make sure the cardboard collar is not bent in any way.  If the collar opening does not "lock" w/the bag holder, the the bag collar opening is not wide enough.

When you want to change the bag, all you have to do push down on the collar slightly and slide the bag out.  Or, push the bag collar down and the collar will pop out of the collar.  Of course, the bag cannot be used again, because the collar will be bent.  Only do this if you are not going to reinstall the bag.  You should not be repeatedly putting on and removing the bag anyway.  If you install the bag, leave it on until you change the bag. By any chance are you removing the bag,in order to check how much dirt is in the bag?

I have recommended generic bags in the past.  Bag technology has greatly improved since the advent of generic bags.  The only vacuum cleaner I have suggested using genuine with, was Filter Queen.  The generic package contain(s) filter paper and were usually cut slightly smaller.

What has happened to you, does not happen all the time.  Occasionally, it will happen, but it is not just w/generic bags.  It usually happpens w/ improperly installed bags.

Mike_W wrote:

What hasn't changed with generic bags, despite their advancements is this:  The maker of the particular brand will provide the best parts for its makes and models and has a vested interest to do so.  A bag/part supplier does not.  Replacement bags and parts are sold not for their quality but their price differential with original made for bags and parts.  That's a fact.  When in doubt use the original made for and not made to fit replacements.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Not quite true.  Generic bags have changed, for the better.  They provide much better filtration than years ago.  Sometimes the generic bags are not cheap.  You made reference to the bags, filters, etc. at Walmart being expensive.  Before you talk about generic bags, understand them.

BTW, why not stop signing out and waiting for me to write something. It does not matter if I catch you now or later.

Mike_W wrote:

I have said here many times bags have improved over the years and is an argument I use against bagless vacuums.  BUT, originals are for the most part more expensive and better than replacements BECAUSE makers have a vested interest in providing the best for their products.  Suppliers don't.  In the case involved the Envirocare bags are MUCH CHEAPER than the Ultracare brand. 

Same back at you. 

Carmine D.