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M00seUK


Joined: Aug 18, 2007
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Dyson Digital Slim
Original Message   Jul 19, 2010 5:58 pm
Here's the details of a trademark that Dyson has filed for a to-be-launched project, the 'Digital Slim':-

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-find-number?detailsrequested=C&trademark=2552353


As usual, the trademark covers a multitude of product categories. Personally, I'd reckon the most likely candidate is a 'slim' upright vacuum, with a 'digital' motor. Dyson have used the 'slim' name before - on the DC18. The upright range has long been missing a product with digital motor. I would also be good if by slim, they mean as thin in profile as the DC03 - which could be hung on the wall and take up next to no space inside a storeage cupboard:-

The major downside was it's small, weedy motor. But if replaced with a similar model using a digital motor, it wouldn't have that same issue.

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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #10   Jul 21, 2010 7:24 am
mole wrote:
And what market is dyson trying to target with this machine?

Is the ddm reliable?

how can dyson justify the extra cost over a machine thats half the price and does the same cleaning?

I just dont get their philosophy in this economic enviroment.

MOLE



HI MOLE:

It's all about marketing.  Sir James has successfully altered [some] peoples' thinking when it comes to vacuum purchases.  He's made people buy vacuums at premium prices to products based on emotions rather than practicality.  He took a page from Steve Jobs and apple.  How's that working out for Jobs, apple and the iPhone4? 

Carmine D.

Hertz


Joined: Jan 31, 2010
Points: 199

Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #11   Jul 21, 2010 10:40 pm
CarmineD wrote:
HI MOLE:

It's all about marketing.  Sir James has successfully altered [some] peoples' thinking when it comes to vacuum purchases.  He's made people buy vacuums at premium prices to products based on emotions rather than practicality.  He took a page from Steve Jobs and apple.  How's that working out for Jobs, apple and the iPhone4? 

Carmine D.



My 8 year + old mac is still being supported and running w/o any viruses thus a FAR more quality and intelligent purchase than any Windows machine. It's working out great. You don't have to upgrade even as 1/3 as often as a windows machine, and yet it's still FAR more efficient and better designed/stable, reliable, and secure. Similar to Dyson; the point is lest cost to the user, easier to use design, and great performance. Yes, they're premium priced, but worth it if you want better quality (besides Kirby and such).
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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #12   Jul 22, 2010 6:44 am
Hertz wrote:
My 8 year + old mac is still being supported and running w/o any viruses thus a FAR more quality and intelligent purchase than any Windows machine. It's working out great. You don't have to upgrade even as 1/3 as often as a windows machine, and yet it's still FAR more efficient and better designed/stable, reliable, and secure. Similar to Dyson; the point is lest cost to the user, easier to use design, and great performance. Yes, they're premium priced, but worth it if you want better quality (besides Kirby and such).


I'm sorry I'm confused by tour statement.  Are you saying you have an 8 year old dyson DC03 that is still running as good as new?  Or just saying it could because apples do? 

Carmine D.

vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
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Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #13   Jul 22, 2010 10:47 pm
Hertz wrote:
My 8 year + old mac is still being supported and running w/o any viruses thus a FAR more quality and intelligent purchase than any Windows machine. It's working out great. You don't have to upgrade even as 1/3 as often as a windows machine, and yet it's still FAR more efficient and better designed/stable, reliable, and secure. Similar to Dyson; the point is lest cost to the user, easier to use design, and great performance. Yes, they're premium priced, but worth it if you want better quality (besides Kirby and such).

Ugh. Dont compare an Apple to a Dyson. You have no idea.

Dyson reliability is below par in the UK even if Dyson would have his customers think differently. Less cost to the user isn't quite right when the "Brush Control" models break their belts and a call out charge has to be paid for EVEN if under guarantee. I know that - Ive paid for it! Easier design? How can it be easier to clean under low furniture when the bin gets in the way? Or if the ball gets in the way? How can it be easy to clean with a hose that is permanently attached to a bent handle? Then there's the useless Bacteria Plus filters - total rubbish - dust forms on the rubber seals that barely keep the paper pleated cone filter in and cost replacements are more expensive than Sebo or Miele filters.  Yes, Dysons are certainly premium priced but they're not as well built as Sebo or Miele, or latterly as "easy to use." As for "great performance," well, its all in the eye of the beholder / hand of the owner; the noise levels are far too noisy for me to cope with!
Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #14   Jul 23, 2010 2:03 am
By the way, what happened with the "slim" Ball model that was on the market and also the mini Ball they were pushing? I don't think either went over well.  I saw the slim-jim thing in the stores for a time and then it suddenly disappeared. I thought at first it might be passed off as a stick vac, which it was for all intent and purpose, but the price tag didn't help the cause.

Sure of what they'll try to charge, I think Dyson would be better off introducing a digital motor in a full-size vacuum.  There's more advantage.  Shrink the motor and increase the dust capacity with space saved.

Venson

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #15   Jul 23, 2010 7:00 am
Venson wrote:
By the way, what happened with the "slim" Ball model that was on the market and also the mini Ball they were pushing? I don't think either went over well.  I saw the slim-jim thing in the stores for a time and then it suddenly disappeared. I thought at first it might be passed off as a stick vac, which it was for all intent and purpose, but the price tag didn't help the cause.

Sure of what they'll try to charge, I think Dyson would be better off introducing a digital motor in a full-size vacuum.  There's more advantage.  Shrink the motor and increase the dust capacity with space saved.

Venson



Hi Venson:

The DDM, as currently designed and produced, doesn't provide the umph that the conventional brush/armature motors have.  That's the issue now for Sir James and his 500 engineers who are still at the drawing board on the DDM for full size vacuum applications.  They've mastered the full size price with the DC22 motorhead and DDM for $799 just not the full size performance and features.  It's the highest priced in the dyson line up.  I've not seen a review of it yet by the industry experts and authorities who track and report on such things.  Or missed it.  From the dyson site:

DC22 Motorhead

$799.99

    Dyson DC22 Motorhead is a canister vacuum powered by the Dyson digital motor. 1/3 smaller than a full-size Dyson machine, but with no compromise on pick-up. Available at select retailers only.

Carmine D.

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Hertz


Joined: Jan 31, 2010
Points: 199

Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #16   Jul 24, 2010 2:05 am
CarmineD wrote:
Hi Venson:

The DDM, as currently designed and produced, doesn't provide the umph that the conventional brush/armature motors have.  That's the issue now for Sir James and his 500 engineers who are still at the drawing board on the DDM for full size vacuum applications.  They've mastered the full size price with the DC22 motorhead and DDM for $799 just not the full size performance and features.  It's the highest priced in the dyson line up.  I've not seen a review of it yet by the industry experts and authorities who track and report on such things.  Or missed it.  From the dyson site:

DC22 Motorhead

$799.99

    Dyson DC22 Motorhead is a canister vacuum powered by the Dyson digital motor. 1/3 smaller than a full-size Dyson machine, but with no compromise on pick-up. Available at select retailers only.

Carmine D.



Carmine, it offers MORE features and MORE performance - not less. You can variably adjust the suction power and the motor lets you know when the filter needs to be changed or if there is something wrong; also, *NO* carbon dust emissions (thus essentially a CARE-FREE (almost) HEPA filter), and the motor will lost a *LOOONG* time, unlike conventional motors *most, anyways*. Bias strikes again! :D
Severus


If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...

Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 397

Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #17   Jul 24, 2010 2:39 am
Hertz wrote:
Carmine, it offers MORE features and MORE performance - not less. You can variably adjust the suction power and the motor lets you know when the filter needs to be changed or if there is something wrong; also, *NO* carbon dust emissions (thus essentially a CARE-FREE (almost) HEPA filter), and the motor will lost a *LOOONG* time, unlike conventional motors *most, anyways*. Bias strikes again! :D

Time will tell if the motor will last a 'LOOOONG" time.    given the price, i hope it lasts a long time for the consumers' benefit. 

The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable.  The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking. 
DC18


Dyson, Sebo and Bissell user

Joined: Jul 25, 2007
Points: 294

Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #18   Jul 24, 2010 5:46 am
I never had any issues with my DC03, the only draw back I found was suction power was not very good. Other than that I found it to be OK, especially as it was slim over the DC01 at the time. We still have the DC03 with another family member using it. It still has the original filters when it was new, although I'm sure the pre motor filter needs replacing by now!! The only part that has broken is the 'struts' along the soleplate. Dyson should use the metal soleplate found on the DC15. It will be interesting to see what form the Dyson Digital Slim takes. There is an entry for the Dyson Digital Slim on wikipedia dubbed as the DC35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dyson_products DC18
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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #19   Jul 24, 2010 7:04 am
DC18 wrote:
I never had any issues with my DC03, the only draw back I found was suction power was not very good. Other than that I found it to be OK, especially as it was slim over the DC01 at the time. We still have the DC03 with another family member using it. It still has the original filters when it was new, although I'm sure the pre motor filter needs replacing by now!! The only part that has broken is the 'struts' along the soleplate. Dyson should use the metal soleplate found on the DC15. It will be interesting to see what form the Dyson Digital Slim takes. There is an entry for this on wikipedia dubbed as the DC35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dyson_products DC18



Hello DC18:

Nice to see you and hear from you again here.  What if any of the dysons now/to come have your interest?

Carmine D.

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