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eliot3


Joined: May 13, 2010
Points: 2

Upright wanted--Hoover?
Original Message   May 13, 2010 3:21 pm
I am interested in buying an upright vacuum, bagged, and I am willing to spend up to, say, $350.  It will be used, not heavily, by an older woman who has a shedding cat and is not mechanically apt.  A longish cord and an attachment for a linoleum floor would be a plus.  I'll take any suggestion, but in the absence of any I am looking at a Hoover UH30010COM Platinum Lightweight Bagged Upright Vacuum Cleaner with Canister, which is sold on Amazon.  My concern with Hoovers in general is that according to CR they are highly repair prone.  Anybody have experience with this model in particular, recent experience with Hoovers in general, or any other suggestions?
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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Upright wanted--Hoover?
Reply #34   May 18, 2010 10:01 am
CarmineD wrote:
Like these tools:
  1. The Ball barrow [aka discontinued wheel barrow]. 
  2. Airblade [aka hand drier for $1400]. 
  3. AirMultiplier [aka 10 inch fan for $300]. 
  4. Ball vacuum [DC15 for $599 and discontinued after one year.  DC18 Slim for $469 and discontinued after 2 years.  DC24 for $399 and TBD.  DC25 for $500 plus with a free dyson handheld and free Dirt Devil rug cleaner]. 
  5. Waterless dish washer [patent pending for 3 years and still counting]. 
  6. Contra rotating washing machine [aka a washing machine costing 2X the normal price that was pulled off the market after 1 year for lack of sales].  
  7. Robotic state of the art pristine DDM plant [aka UK-China business partnership which recently shuttered].  

The craftyman is James Dyson.  Useful things in today's world to meet the problems of the future.   Tru r teest!

Carmine D.


eliot3


Joined: May 13, 2010
Points: 2

Re: Upright wanted--Hoover?
Reply #35   May 18, 2010 12:41 pm
Thank you all for your responses.  We wound up getting the Hoover, and from Amazon even though that's likely not the cheapest source, because if something goes wrong Amazon will take it back
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Upright wanted--Hoover?
Reply #36   May 18, 2010 12:45 pm
HARDSELL wrote:



Sir James Dyson, 2006:  "Vacuum bags will become collectors' items." 

What happened?  DC07, DC11,  DC15,  DC18,  DC21 ....the actual collectors' items.

Crow

Carmine D.

This message was modified May 18, 2010 by CarmineD
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Upright wanted--Hoover?
Reply #37   May 18, 2010 12:46 pm
eliot3 wrote:
Thank you all for your responses.  We wound up getting the Hoover, and from Amazon even though that's likely not the cheapest source, because if something goes wrong Amazon will take it back



Enjoy your new HOOVER bagged Platinum lightweight and compact canister. 

Carmine D.

Moderator Mike_W


"There is no BEST or PERFECT vacuum cleaner"

"Take care of your vacuum, then your vacuum will take care of you"


Joined: Dec 1, 2004
Points: 1683

Re: Upright wanted--Hoover?
Reply #38   May 18, 2010 1:55 pm
CarmineD wrote:
How about this one Mike W?  Need help deciphering the childish  acronym? 

Carmine D.


Carmine;

You really do not have any room to finger-point.  The ice is getting thinner.
Moderator Mike_W


"There is no BEST or PERFECT vacuum cleaner"

"Take care of your vacuum, then your vacuum will take care of you"


Joined: Dec 1, 2004
Points: 1683

Re: Upright wanted--Hoover?
Reply #39   May 18, 2010 1:57 pm
eliot3 wrote:
Thank you all for your responses.  We wound up getting the Hoover, and from Amazon even though that's likely not the cheapest source, because if something goes wrong Amazon will take it back

Congrats on your new  purchase.  The HOOVER should perform very well for its user.

"Take care of your vacuum, then your vacuum will take care of you"
This message was modified May 18, 2010 by Mike_W
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Upright wanted--Hoover?
Reply #40   May 18, 2010 2:00 pm
Mike_W wrote:
Carmine;

You really do not have any room to finger-point.  The ice is getting thinner.


Nor do you!  No ice in the desert.  That's one of the reasons I moved here.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Upright wanted--Hoover?
Reply #41   May 19, 2010 8:30 am
Mike_W wrote:
eliot3;

The HOOVER UH30010COM is a very good upright that does a very good job of getting at that deep down dirt.  I do like this.  It is comfortable to use and does not require alot of strength to push/pull/hold.  The handle is also very comfortable.  It does have a long cord, so there will be less moving of the plug, as the user vacuums.

I would not follow what CR says, because they get it wrong. You can read, from my posts, that I do not use what they say.  What I have always told people is to use it to see/compare the features of some models.  They do not even have all of the  brands available.  That right there makes it a bad guide, because the potential vacuum purchaser may be missing out on a very good vacuum cleaner, if it is not listed. 

If you are going to get the HOOVER, I would suggest that you take your time and look around.  I know that you can find this model, for alot less, in other places.  You can find it for alittle over $200.00.



It's not a good/bad guide per se.  It's a guide, period end of story.  How one uses it determines it worth.  If it is used as a starting point to acquaint and familiarize the uninformed vacuum buyers and users, then it is a good guide.  If it is used as a 'gospel' it is a bad guide.  My feeling is that the experts in the field are the final and best source of advice ALWAYS.

Disgree with your argument that CR include all the vacuum brands to be a good guide.  It would be a tome rather than a magazine and have to be called Consumer Repose because it would put readers to sleep.

Carmine D.

Moderator Mike_W


"There is no BEST or PERFECT vacuum cleaner"

"Take care of your vacuum, then your vacuum will take care of you"


Joined: Dec 1, 2004
Points: 1683

Re: Upright wanted--Hoover?
Reply #42   May 19, 2010 2:01 pm
CarmineD wrote:
It's not a good/bad guide per se.  It's a guide, period end of story.  How one uses it determines it worth.  If it is used as a starting point to acquaint and familiarize the uninformed vacuum buyers and users, then it is a good guide.  If it is used as a 'gospel' it is a bad guide.  My feeling is that the experts in the field are the final and best source of advice ALWAYS.

Disgree with your argument that CR include all the vacuum brands to be a good guide.  It would be a tome rather than a magazine and have to be called Consumer Repose because it would put readers to sleep.

Carmine D.


Carmine;

I am so glad that you disagree w/me.  I have no objection to you continuing to do so.  Love it!

I will be responding to your last post, but I have to get back to work.  I will put together something really good for people to "chew on".
Severus


If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...

Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 397

Re: Upright wanted--Hoover?
Reply #43   May 20, 2010 1:09 am
Mike_W wrote:
Carmine;

I am so glad that you disagree w/me.  I have no objection to you continuing to do so.  Love it!

I will be responding to your last post, but I have to get back to work.  I will put together something really good for people to "chew on".


I find the CR results to be entertaining and somewhat useful.  There certainly are limitations, particularly since the vacuums are only tested on medium cut pile carpeting.   A suboptimal vacuum on medium pile carpeting may do an excellent job on low pile carpeting.  Who knows if the results are generalizable to other carpeting types.  I have also commented that the filtration scores are of very limited value, since almost every vacuum receives an excellent score for filtration.  If we are to believe Miele's advertisements and anecdotal evidence from allergy sufferers, we would presume that the filtration of Miele's is better than that of a Dirt Devil Featherlite Bagless.  However, the emissions scores are the same on these vacuums. 

I don't know much about Rainbow vacuums, but given that it is curious that they can be one of the worst vacuums for cleaning carpeting when they are sold by in home demonstrations in which they have to perform well enough to convince a consumer to part with over $2000 dollars.

Reasonable criticism of CR's methodology is good, because it forces them to improve.   I think it's fairly good for eliminating choices, but not necessarily for finding the best choice.

The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable.  The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking. 
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