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CarmineD
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #171 Apr 23, 2010 12:34 pm |
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Hi Carmine, It's the LG clone I bought when they first came out, roughly guessing, about three years or so ago. (Yep, it's almost about three years as I checked and see that I first posted about it in September 2007.) Warranty was the standard year I believe. I can't find the instruction booklet but in regard to schedules, I kept my own. The cleaner was emptied after each use and filters were checked at about every two or three uses. I was very curious about this machine's ability because -- as I recall it -- it was one of a few bagless vacs at the time that weren't employing pleated filters within the collection bin as with the prior Kenmore EVO bagless canister. The HEPA stayed clean as the pre-filter did a good job. I'd also wash out the collection bin when the air ways around its inner perimeter started to look grungy. As for dust capacity, maybe a quart or less. Being used to four-quart or larger bags, I 've never taken dust capacity seriously in regard to bagless machines. Rather, than trust fate, I dump them out after each use. Venson
Thanks Venson.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #172 Apr 23, 2010 12:44 pm |
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I am as concerned about replacing a bag monthly that cost $5 or more ea. $60 or more per year. Add in the $30 annual maintenance charge. More if parts are needed. The Dyson filter can be washed and reused (unlike the bag). I doubt the filters would need replacing within 5 or more years. Which is less expensive to operate? HS, you ever feel like you are surrounded by a bunch of nuts! The problem with the dyson cyclones are they clog and filtering worsens over time due to the built up dirt/dust in the sealed cyclones that can't be emptied and cleaned thoroughly. When the cyclones develop a pet odor, and they do, they have to be replaced at $80 a pop before labor/other needed parts [like pre-post motor filters at an additional $50] to eliminate the odor. Choose your poison. $130 buys a lot of good quality filtering bags for most quality vacuums that will easily last over 5 years even with daily vacuuming. Plus, there's no imposition on users to perform dual filter maintenance every 2-3 months with washing/drying to keep a bagless working properly. Else spring for spare new filters at $15, $20, $30 a pop. Sooner or later, depending on usage, replace the cyclone assembly at $80 plus else a new motor. Yep, insufficient air flow, regardless how clean it may be, will burn out a motor if the cyclones don't/can't operate properly. More importantly, how do users know until it's too late. Had a case reported here years back where a dyson user had several new DC07's using in a commercial setting. A motor burnt out in one in less than 2 years of usage. Not covered under warranty. Bagged is beautiful. With and without nuts. Carmine D.
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retardturtle1
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #173 Apr 23, 2010 3:58 pm |
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Of much more concern to me turtle1 than pre-post motor filters for $15 and $30 that require mandatory washing every 2-3 months under normal use conditions for the warranty, which is a huge concern, is this: Cyclone assembly$75.99 Replacement cyclone assembly. Part No. 904861-47 
Carmine D. Hi Carmine.......Never seen one broken..........how the heck do you break the cyclone assembly turtle
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retardturtle1
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #174 Apr 23, 2010 4:17 pm |
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Hi procare, Miele S7 high filtration bags run at roughly $18.00 for a pack of four (4.50 each) with fresh pre-filters included. Smaller by a quart or so less, Miele bags for the S5 series run at the same price but you get five bags instead of four ($3.60 each). In my household bag changes are not need as frequently as I have no kids and no pets. Nonetheless, I could easily see call for bag changes regarding either machine in an active household. Aerus wins out here in that a pack of 36 bags (about $40 here when sales tax is included) comes out a much lower price per bag. Venson
Hi Venson
Im starting to like my pansc u and riccar ecopure bags more and more $$$$ turtle
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CarmineD
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #175 Apr 23, 2010 4:20 pm |
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Carmine D. Hi Carmine.......Never seen one broken..........how the heck do you break the cyclone assembly
turtle Part No. 904861-47
Hello turtle1: It's a sealed unit. That's the problem in a nut shell [no pun intended HS]. Cyclones fill [clog] with fine dirt/dust. It builds up with time and use. Causes odors too in the vacuum during operation. Dirt build up in the cyclones constricts air flow to the motor which causes motor overheating. The cyclone assembly functions much like a bag. It filters the air, just like a bag, to cool the motor during use. Yes, dirt degrades a motor and wears it out. So too the lack of air flow to the motor which causes motor burn out. Hence, the reason for extra care to keep filters clean and free of dirt in bagless vacuums. Else motor dies. The problem is that all the dirt isn't in the bin and on the filters. If so, these could be cleaned/replaced easily and back in use. No, dirt accumulates in the sealed cyclones which can't/won't come out. In time the only viable solution is a new cyclone assembly at $80 a pop, thank you very much. Bags or bagless? Choose your poison. Carmine D.
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Lucky1
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #176 Apr 23, 2010 4:39 pm |
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Carmine D.
I am as concerned about replacing a bag monthly that cost $5 or more ea. $60 or more per year. Add in the $30 annual maintenance charge. More if parts are needed.
The Dyson filter can be washed and reused (unlike the bag). I doubt the filters would need replacing within 5 or more years. Which is less expensive to operate?
Other things to consider: The clean & service on a bagless vac is $15-$25 more than a bagged vac. The filters on Bagless vacs need to be changed more often as well, even the "lifetime" Dyson Hepa needs to be changed pretty often. A belt change on a cogged belt is very rare but a Dyson belt change could be $100.00!!!!
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CarmineD
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #177 Apr 24, 2010 8:37 am |
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Other things to consider: The clean & service on a bagless vac is $15-$25 more than a bagged vac. The filters on Bagless vacs need to be changed more often as well, even the "lifetime" Dyson Hepa needs to be changed pretty often. A belt change on a cogged belt is very rare but a Dyson belt change could be $100.00!!!!
Hello Lucky1
Why is service on bagless vacuums more than bagged? Carmine D.
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #178 Apr 24, 2010 9:10 am |
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Hello Lucky1
Why is service on bagless vacuums more than bagged? Carmine D.
Ill take a shot at this question, In all probability the consumer or dyson user does not follow the service schedule, if they were told beforehand of the maintaince involved they would of never had bought it the first place. Every single dyson problem is due to the user refusing to follow the schedule of maintence.Other than the usual belt and clutch problem. Please trust me i would not lie to you says the fine british fellow..... MOLE
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CarmineD
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #179 Apr 24, 2010 10:12 am |
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Ill take a shot at this question, In all probability the consumer or dyson user does not follow the service schedule, if they were told beforehand of the maintaince involved they would of never had bought it the first place. Every single dyson problem is due to the user refusing to follow the schedule of maintence.Other than the usual belt and clutch problem. Please trust me i would not lie to you says the fine british fellow..... MOLE
Thank you MOLE.
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retardturtle1
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #180 Apr 24, 2010 11:51 am |
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Hello Lucky1
Why is service on bagless vacuums more than bagged? Carmine D.
Ill take a shot at this question, In all probability the consumer or dyson user does not follow the service schedule, if they were told beforehand of the maintaince involved they would of never had bought it the first place. Every single dyson problem is due to the user refusing to follow the schedule of maintence.Other than the usual belt and clutch problem. Please trust me i would not lie to you says the fine british fellow..... MOLE Hi mole Bingo!!! upkeep/service or lack of....will kill any vacuum but more so on a bagless....99% of most bagless dont come in for service until its cyclones/filters are caked up clogged up....and that neglect is gonna cost you more due to the xtra time and work involved in restoring it to its like new performance...... i like the filtering of the dysons...but lifetime they are not. but proper filter maint is a must on dysons/bagless......the dysons /bagless that came in for annual maint with proper filter maint were the ones that performed as good as the day they were bought. turtle
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