Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

How sealed are Dysons? And how good is their filtration? I know the uprights - at least the older, older ones like the DC07 and such might have potential problems with sealing, such as show in this video right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXA0N0V2uOQ However there could simply be something wrong w/ that one, who knows. BUT ANYWAYS, are the NEWER uprights COMPLETELY sealed? What about their canisters, such as the DC22, 23? Like does any air blow out of the cord reel or such, or ONLY out of the exhaust where it's SUPPOSED to come out from?

Consider for a moment Dib-stir [if you can get unfixated on people] what is worse in the scheme of product sales/success.  Multi-cyclones that filter less efficiently than the dyson braggarts led buyers and consumers to believe.  Or, weak gaskets/seals that can easily be replaced with better ones to prevent leakage?  Even you, with little or no knowledge of the vacuum industry at all, if you are honest, can answer this question correctly.

Carmine D.

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again . . .

Actually I believe I gave a splendid example/s.  Gasko could be giving the worst advice in the world and yet he had (I’ve not looked an quite a while) a following 100-200 times greater than the rare consumer who’s dared to show their face here seeking advice on anything.  Numbers don’t lie, when two vacuum dealers are freely giving advice online and one is ignored and one is sought out.  That’s enough proof for me (and for most).   Carmine, and others blasted the Abby newbie when he had the audacity to post his liking for the DC26.  He posted once, was blasted (or topic blasted) and left. Again, Model2 was chased out and the guy had 100,000 views just on his DC24 Youtube video.  Carmine, Mole, Procare, Lucky1, Retardturtle and even Venson/Severus use this site as a anti-Dyosn platform for two primary reasons…  lie of Dyson (for sport) and to lie of Dyson (for profit).  Any outsider reading these boldface lies and attacks on Dyson no-doubt stays away. Do you think Carmine, Mole, Lucky1, Procare, Retardturtle and/or Venson/Severus can prove that Dyson vacuums leak dust (blow dust) from the suction/upstream side?  I don’t.

DIB I don't see numbers meaning much in this case at all. The web is full of of people with high hit counts that give all kinds of advice. Whether the world is better for it has yet to be determined. What's called for in choosing a vacuum is clear knowledge of one's needs and plain facts.

By the way, what's a 100,000 web hits worth? Per the U.S. World and Population Clocks ( http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html ) we have about 309,000,000 inhabitants in a country where individual CD sales are not considered even fair to middling until well past the 500,000 peices mark. Speaking percentages, the 100,000 hits does not appear phenomenal.

No, personally I do not care much for Dyson and never did. I remain not much impressed with its performance and have owned bagless vacs that pleased me more whatever they may have or may have not borrowed technologically. Neither do I like Dyson's design or attachment set up – and never will.

Still I have no reason to lie and there is nothing I stand to gain by doing so. Yes, I have my ambitions and it's my hope that any advice I may have given here has been constructively helpful to all those asking but I have not received or been offered remuneration by any vac manufacturer or kindred business entity. No way in the least do I presume I've scored any points even with vac makers I often speak well of. AND – not a soul has sent me any freebies for all my yakking. My conscience is clear.

My opinions are pretty even handed and, I believe, well-founded not by number quotes but by use of more brands and machines than I can count and the experience that comes from that. If I said Dyson is over-priced I have also said that Miele, Aerus and any number of other vac manufacturers have gone way overboard on their pricing in consideration of what's being offered. I've followed suit regarding issues of performance and design.

It's foolish to harp on one specific brand as there has been no be all, end all vacuum cleaner yet made. Vacuum buyers are inundated with insignificant and confusing numbers -- amps, watts, air watts, microns, range – to leave them too stunned for a clear view of the really big numbers on price tags.

People looking for decent vacuums don't need to play number or name games. They need sound advice as to what vacuum may best provide good performance, reasonably easy use and durability per the individual budget and living situation.

Whether Dyson leaks or not is not much in my concern. Whatever the case, if someone feels they have to have a Dyson that's fine by me too. It's better to buy whatever vacuum you feel you like enough to use frequently. That will help keep flooring and furniture in your home looking better and lasting longer. We've been telling you that all along but I guess you don't believe us. Not my problem.

Venson

I'm not sure where I have ever told a lie about Dyson...???? If you point it out I will address it.

Dustmite ,

It's somewhat of a waste of my valuable time to respond to your ridiculous claims.   You seem to have the preposterous idea that disagreeing with you is the same as attacking James Dyson and/or his products.  I have respect for James Dyson, and I have been very fair in my assessments of his products.  You are no James Dyson.  You are a scoundrel that attacks and insults everyone on this forum, and then wonders why you're so unpopular.  You have no objectivity.  You are like an ostrich with your head buried in the dirt and lint of a Dyson dirt canister.  You insult every brand but Dyson, including those that are far superior to Dyson, and wonder why your ideas are ridiculed.

I have stated that Dysons leak as well as other bagless vacs. It may not be as bad as others but it does. The Dyson machines have continually got less power in airwatts than they did at the start. DC-07 274 Air Watts Power and come down since.The facts on power come from Dyson. In looking at the warranty for 5 years the customer should know wear items are not covered. Such as the so called lifetime filter, brushroll, belt carbon brushes in the motor or anything else that wears out. That is an awful lot of things not covered. Commercial use is definitely out. One other upright had a clutch system for it's belts and that was the first Electrolux upright (Now Aerus) back in the1974-1984 time period. I sold many of them and never had a problem with them. They were a magnetic clutch and the belts were cogged belts. Never replaced a one during the life of the ones sold. I just replaced brushrolls and brushroll bearings. Dyson in your book may be your cleaner of choice but my working on them and /or going against them in demoes, I choose the bagged vacuum anyday.

procare wrote:

Either your wrong about your accusations of the warranty, or they'll honor any part not specified in the warranty because my neighbor had their DC17 motor bar stop spinning to to either a broken driver motor, gear box, or belt (whatever it was, the brush bar wouldn't work), and Dyson fixed it free of charge. I've read other reviews stating how Dyson will cover stuff not in their warranty, but five years even on only non-wear parts is still good, if that's even the case. Now, of course I have read reviews of Dysons help line being a joke, but I've read about just as many that say completely the opposite, and given that I've called Dyson myself and EVERY TIME WITH IN FIVE MINUTES I was talking to a FRIENDLY AMERICAN voice - I would say to have confidence in Dyson for helping their customers.

Hertz wrote:
BTW

Who ever claimed that the upright leaked on the suction side.I think Dubber spun it into that.We all know that they leak  thru the cyclones and into the lifetime hepa filter,

Just look for yourself and see how the dust bin rocks side to side when mounted into the reciever.


MOLE

mole wrote:
MM just look for yourself when dust statically clings to the outer side of the acrylic bin once it has been emptied!

To be fair guys we can go on and on about Dyson filtration until the cows come home and who said what and who is incorrect. End of the day Dysons and any other bagless cyclonic just isn't healthy. I've raised this issue before and I'll say it again - bags are healthier even if they do clog up and if the medical profession such as surgeries and hospitals still use vacuums with bags then there's something in that use (surely it costs more?) alone to why bagged vacuums are better, and even if buyers have to buy bags, they still have to buy drive belts for other Dyson models or anything else that happens to go wrong with it.

vacmanuk wrote:

Add too the dyson multi-cyclones are not as effective for filtering fine dirt as paper bags.  Dyson braggarts claimed otherwise.  Better than bags.  Health issues aside for a moment, although I agree with you and they are important, the shortcomings of bagless cyclones, dyson included, is their inferior vacuum operation/performance.  To me, this is the issue of importance.

Sir James, and his followers, took HOOVER execs on for passing on/over dyson's multi-cyclones.  Even in written product literature included along with new dysons.  The reason, we were lead to believe by Sir James and his fans, was the vested interest HOOVER and other vacuum makers had in profiting from the sale of bags.  Was this true?  No.  But it helped sell dysons, at least initially.  The truth is bags are better performers for filtration than bagless.  Period.  End of story.

Carmine D.

mole wrote: