Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

How sealed are Dysons? And how good is their filtration? I know the uprights - at least the older, older ones like the DC07 and such might have potential problems with sealing, such as show in this video right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXA0N0V2uOQ However there could simply be something wrong w/ that one, who knows. BUT ANYWAYS, are the NEWER uprights COMPLETELY sealed? What about their canisters, such as the DC22, 23? Like does any air blow out of the cord reel or such, or ONLY out of the exhaust where it's SUPPOSED to come out from?

Dib-ster:

The suction side [inlet dirt tube path] on DC07 and DC14 models empties into the dirt bin during operation.  A poor fit from the seal/gasket between the two [dirt bin and dirt tube] leaks dirty air into the room and onto the back of bin and vacuum, where the bin assembly sits.  Simple statement of fact.  For homes with pets, it's very common to find pet hair and dander build up and coating on this opening.  It sticks between the dirt path opening and the dirt bin and on the gaskets due to poor seal/fits on the DC07 and DC14 models.  Simple statement of the facts.  Hardly sealed atoll.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I do think this site will begin making its real money when your IP is blocked.  Again, Gasko gets about two hundred questions (from consumers) to your one.  Model2 has around 100,000 hits on his DC24 Youtube video.  I say the big money comes after the con’s are reeled in and/or blocked from this site.

retardturtle1 wrote:
Retardturtle,

Can you demonstrate a Dyson leaking dust (into a room) upstream from the suctioning motor as Mole, Carmine and Procare claim?

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib

cant say i can...i was given the dc7 in perfect condition and gave it away  as such.  i had it less than a year...vacuum everyday with it...no pets.

In that time of use  thats all i ever saw...was the tiny bit from time to time... no extended  long term personal use knowledge beyond that.

The dysons i have worked on in the past were way beyond words and a couple belonged to an indoor petting zoo.....and animal shelters. so a

little dust leak was the least of their problems.

turtle

DysonInventsBig wrote:
retardturtle1 wrote:

Retardturtle,

Between Carmine, Mole, Venson (aka Severus), Procare and Lucky I’d say they have about 150-175 years of vacuum cleaner understanding and history between them.  Over and over they want to tell stories of how the Dyson is leaking dust on the suction side (upstream of the suction motor) and they want others to believe it. - And now you’re doing the same.  I say it’s an old con and boldface lie.  Why not help your cohorts and shoot video demonstrating this anomaly…  dust leaking (dust exhausting/being blown from the suction side) into a home or into someone’s lungs.  And good luck, cause you’ll need it…  it’s akin to pushin rope.

Dib-stir:

DC07 and DC14 leak air/dirt from both intake and exhaust sides.  As such, by definition it is not a sealed system.  But, IT DOESN"T CLAIM TO BE.  All the proof and videos in the world won't change your view [not with your head up Sir Jame's you know what].  Just as we who you site here with contempt, couldn't change the minds of those who came before you who you always praise.  Recall all the heated threads about dyson's puny brush roll and gawdawful clutch.  They defended these too and ridiculed us.  They said the same about us and our conclusions then that you are saying now.  Recall: Never clogs and never loses suction.  Along with lifetime belt and filters.  Lots of heated discussions here among them and us too about those old dyson false claims.  Bye bye Sir James.  Bye bye DC07.  Soon, bye bye DC14.  Thanks for the memories.

Carmine D.

PS:  What ever happended with that 2007 dyson dish washer patent?  You know.  Anything yet?  It's been 3 years almost and 500 engineers later.  Nothing to show but a paper patent?

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello turtle:

I agree.  Bigger problems with DC07 and DC14 are: weak brush bar, gawdawful clutch, convoluted dirt path, difficult hose and attachment use, unreasonable[6-9 months is much too long] filter cleaning schedules.  Plus the claims, subsequently dropped by dyson/revised after legal actions:  Never clogs, never loses suction.  Finally, the high prices which is hurting dyson sales at the big box retail stores.  If not dropped much lower, the competition will run dyson out of dodge.

Carmine D.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. For a start Dyson may have done little success in the U.S according to you but worldwide the patents and designs will go on for years until of course Dyson may well think about changing strategy and give up making vacuum cleaners altogether. The rivals such as Vax, TTi, Hoover etc - they're all in catch up mode and using current cyclonic systems that still need two filters washed and cleaned for optimum hygiene. Then again the owners for most of the time won't touch the filters until suction starts to weaken or until something goes wrong. That's when people start to question the brand or when something isn't as durable. It is also down to the brand/manufacturer - currently I'm in discussion with Vax who have failed to point out that the filter shroud in their Mach Air can be twisted and unlocked to be cleaned out - yet it mentions nothing of this in the user manual.

This morning for example I spent discussing  a problem of "suction problems," with a woman I don't know on the internet. I came across a review she had written about her Dyson upright. The model concerned isn't unknown to me but I did find it unusual that she moaned about the machine's lack of suction and hunger for drive belts until I asked her what is lying around her carpets for a brush bar to be attracted to it. The answer was clear as day; wool that she knits with, curtains that have tie backs that drag on the floor and bits of carpet her husband can't be arsed to nail to the floor. It's no wonder that her new product has a hunger for drive belts if stuff like that is lying on the floor.

Her next issue was with the filter design as it "keeps clogging," and her biggest mistake (and I dont know why owners do it, but they seem to think vacuums dry out filters) was to wash the filter shroud and then just place it into the machine, thinking that it would work. The clogged dirt that she couldn't be arsed to take out then clung to the wet shroud, the water leaked into the motor and she questions why there is smoke coming out?! No wonder Dyson didn't honour her guarantee!

The fact is that despite the problems Dyson has with "never loses suction," owners aren't as honest as they appear. Sure if it clogs the first time you switch it on or the filter doesn't last as long as the manual suggests it all comes down to simple maintenance and that is something owners won't do despite the user manual suggesting it should be done. The second aspect is that some people just don't realise how dirty their homes are! I've seen it working with a cleaning firm when people are shocked of the amount of rubbish that comes out of their carpets never mind the upholstery they sit on daily. Dysons in general homes aren't emptied until the bins are bursting with dirt and I think personally that's terribly wrong with owners expectations that their vacuums should work all of the time. That's what you get if you advertise machines that "never lose suction," - inherent laziness due to the owner who can't be arsed to empty their vacuum cleaner or check the filters and hose/dust channels.

CarmineD wrote:

I can agree that the brush bars and clutches were overall simply decent quality - and low quality given the price - but aside from that they are great machines. However, I find your claim that they will be "run out of dodge" highly amusing considering they're still doing GREAT even in this economy; Dyson isn't going anywhere anytime soon buddy.

vacmanuk wrote:

Excellent points about why Dyson dislodged their claims from their advertising campaigns vacmanuk. Are you reading this CarmineD?! Dysons WILL NOT CLOG under normal use or if properly maintained - which isn't of course to say if you suck up a lego it won't clog - which happened to my neighbors DC17 that I nicely unclogged for them - - but, under normal use a Dyson WILL NOT clog, however given these claims the average consumer wistfully never maintains their arguably high quality appliance and thus - like with *ANYTHING* - it will eventually break down.