Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I received this "teaser email today: http://links.mkt2388.com/ctt?kn=1&m=2735925&r=MTgwOTM1MTgzMTcS1&b=0&j=NzgxMTAyODMS1&mt=1&rt=0
Anyone know what's up with this??

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DysonInventsBig wrote:
Hey Motorhead,
Venson as Severus wants you to believe he’s friendly of Tom and friendly to Dyson.  Severus as Venson sits on his hands as his buddies here attack Tom often and with vigor.  His Dyson position typically is - Dyson inventions are no good, cost to much, can’t make money, don’t solve problems, he’s not buying a Dyson anything, so why bother (Dyson should close their doors).  Although he is a believer that the tired bagged vacuum, in the public domain commodity (vacs his buddies livelihood’s depend on) are exciting, fresh and radically differing amongst the umpteen manufacturers.  A brushroll, a suction generator, a collection sack/filter and mounted on 4 wheels...  I described just about every bagged vacuum cleaner on the planet and since the 1960’s.   *Are you laughing? - I am!

Venson as Severus,
The stupidity title is yours.  Since the forum opened all posters who click the quote link simply write their comments under the quoted text.  Why in the world would you post above the quote, which makes for quoting you and the thread organized.  Or is this a feeble attempt at making yourself appear not as Venson?  Are you laughing? - I am!

DIB


*I support American mfg big time, if they have integrity, if they employee Americans at a fare wage - regardless of inventiveness.
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DBI,

I always did appreciate Tom's well informed opinions.  that doesn't mean I always agreed with him.  He's could certainly be stubborn at times, and I don't think it's ethical to buy a new vacuum at Walmart, abuse it and take it back for a refund.   He bought UK Dysons and had 220V switches installed in his home to run them.  So he certainly had experience with the vacuums he discussed.    His experience selling Rainbows is I think what caused his perception of reality to be skewed slightly.   But he at least had some common sense - you have none.   I could accept Tom's message, because you could find some substance under the Dyson rose tinted glasses and hyperbole.  Your contribution is about the size of a dust mite's waste product.. 

Unlike you, he did successfully run a vacuum cleaner store.  He did consulting work on the design of the Airway anniversary canister vacuum.    He had a huge vacuum collection, and he was a nationally recognized for his knowledge of vacuums.  You DBI, are no Tom Gasko.  You read an article on the internet, and suddenly you think you are some kind of expert.  

Severus wrote:

SEVERUS, you may recall that Tom boasted about a Kirby salesman who unknowingly plugged his demo vacuum into the 220 electrical outlet, while Tom looked on silently.  It "fried the Kirby motor" to quote Tom's exact words.

Carmine D.

Darn it DIB, why won't you please share some of that stuff you're on? It's so selfish to fire up the pipe and not pass it around! A toot or two of whatever it is that's got you flying might do us all some good too.

Speaking for myself, Tom Gasko is someone I also have high respect for. When it gets down to vacuums, he knows his stuff. He's the only vacuum person I know who can quote a Rexair's place in time just by way of a serial number

In general the cloth of this forum is composed of persons who sell and repair vacuums or have had long involvement in taking note of their history and progression developmentally OR have used them at least long enough to tell one end from the other.

I don't always agree with Tom or MOLE or Carmine or Procare or Mike W. or Dusty or any number of members in this forum but I see no particular reason for prolonged debate on most issues. Why? Because we have had real talks about real vacuums for a number of years at this forum and others before it. I have the greatest trust that their opinions are solidly founded on their experience and knowledge -- not just whimsical fancy.

Venson as Venson

"...A vacuum with "power steering" would probably be great for you or me but a disaster on the larger market. There's too much to go wrong, especially in the hands of careless users and those impatient persons who never read user guides. Unfortunately, it is generally accepted that all you need do is plug in your machine and go. To make a vacuum with an electrified steering system could be done I'm sure but to make an appliance that's impervious to it's greatest threat, being in the hands of humans, probably can never be executed in a cost-effective manner. These ideas are probably best left to the robot makers..."

Sorry Venson but you've totally lost me on this rather large statement. Power steering you say? Like the geared mechanism self drive formula on Kirby vacuums or mostly self driven others that seem to only be high sellers in the U.S? About the only thing that has a similar drive mechanism in most of Europe and UK is of course, the Sebo X uprights or Sebo's commercial uprights - and these have been on sale, in large numbers on the commercial market since the 1970s. Or power steering of another nature?

vacmanuk wrote:
Hi vacumanuk,

I was referring to Motorhead's mention of a vacuum being developed with servo motors to enhance it ability to be turned left or right. Kirby and some Hoover vacuums do not have a steering capacity but are indeed self-propelled in that their transmissions move them forward and backward.

Venson

Venson wrote:

I have a lot to say about you goofs dumping on Tom.  I've learned more from Tom in 20 minutes than the 2 years from visiting and reading vacuum cleaner forums.  Are there any bad-mouthed, big-mouthed want-a-be’s here or elsewhere who prove bigger (close to the pulse) than Tom?...  Anyone here have the top-brass backing from a $200m corporation and the top-brass trust of a $1b dollar corporation?  Like I said, many of you guys are...  Goofs.

DIB


P.S.  I have not talked to the man in a few years, although I enjoy Motorhead’s posts.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB (Dust mite in box),

I think it's great the success that Tom has had.  Tom is a great vacuum historian.  I can admire Tom without agreeing with everything he says.  I would say that I agree with him on more than I disagree with him on. 

I agree that you should find a way to spend more time with Tom so that you could get educated.   

Please explain this stuff about top-brass backing from a $200m corporation and the top-brass trust of a $1b dollar corporation.  What exactly do you mean by backing?   That's the problem with you, you write meaningless fluff.  Tom provides some concrete details.   We need a better Dyson rep on this forum. 

Severus wrote:
Peter Pan,

What you need can only be found with extensive therapy, but that would mean giving up on fantasy, deceiving and playing children's-roles.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dyson DIB:

More proof and a self-admission that you have much more to learn about vacuums and all things related to them.

Carmine D.

News of some inital, positive results in Oz for the mighty Dyson marketing machine:-

Retailers help make Dyson Air Multiplier number one
http://www.current.com.au/2009/12/01/article/WCXCMFVYHB.html

Current.com.au understands the Dyson Air Multiplier has already become the number one product on the seasonal value charts. Cameron said the retailers had been great, supporting the product since the first shipments arrived...

The success of the Air Multiplier has confounded some critics, with observers at launch questioning whether a seasonal product with such a premium price tag could be successful. The lesson to be learned from this experience is that new technology, different technology and well-marketed technology will sell, no matter how expensive it is...