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CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

I’m embarrassed for you… the entire world is in a recession and struggling.  Can’t you think of anything smart to say?  Bundling and lowering prices is worldwide.  Saying something smart would help your lack of credibility, especially after defending Venson’s dual persona deception (him pretending to be Severus).  Did you notice a sudden drop off of posts after this came out?  You and others need to decide…  defend Venson’s bizarre behavior or build/keep this forum going.   This forum could easily die-on-the-vine.  And if you don't believe me then watch, and watch it die.


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

I'm amazed.  I actually agree with something you say: The entire world is in a recession and struggling.  All the rest of what you posted is a waste of time reading.  Especially the part I highlighted.  You have no grasp of vacuums, the vacuum industry, floorcare products, and the people who buy and sell them but you are predicting the demise of this vacuum Forum.  Do you have a date for this sad event or just keeping your prediction open ended?

Carmine D. 

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Actually DIB Im sure Dyson could easily reduce the noise levels just by adding dampening. It wouldn't take that much money to do it, or at least provide a thicker casing so that it doesn't leak that much noise.

Why do you misread what I've said? Where do I suggest that the students or teacher have to read the manual? Is that going to improve the noise characteristics? It seems to me that with you in particular you can't have any one saying anything bad about Dyson vacums. They are not the most perfect vacuums in the world - you only have to look on EBAY UK to see so many reconditioned units at cheaper cost because people want rid of them. Just because you say "wood dust is a non-issue with this vacuum, it will devour and glady filter fine wood dust," doesn't mean it naturally happens with EVERY hand held produced.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
DIB,

Please provide the proof that you promised about my being Venson - or was it your other personality that was going to provide proof?  I have to admit that I thought briefly about using the username "DysonStinks" as a response to your name.  But I really don't dislike Dyson.

I believe any drop off in posts corresponded to the start of football season, or perhaps the lack of a full moon.  Does Dyson ask you to track the number of posts on this forum each day?  

By the way guys we already seem to have the instruction manual for the Dustbuster Flexi PD1200, the user manual can be downloaded here:

http://service.blackanddecker.co.uk/PDMSDocuments/EU/Docs//docpdf/pd1200%20pd1080_uk.pdf

Specs for this model (according to the website) are:

AIR WATTS 25WATT
CAPACITY 0.500Litres
CHARGE TIME 16HOURS
VOLTAGE 12VOLT

If this is true then sadly it won't be a direct rival for the Dyson DC16 which has a stronger battery for a start! However I'd still be interested in this product as it is a darn sight smaller and more compact.

vacmanuk wrote:
The proof is the pudding . . . Despite Dyson's good performance in one test, the Popular Mechanics video I posted satisfied me by way of good performance and price B&D excelled. I would not spend the kind of money that Dyson is asking for a rechargeable hand-held vac.

The new B&D Flexi is even stronger than the Flex Vac model tested but it has yet to be shown how much power will or won't be lost in the translation due to the hose add-on. Even that considered, an $80 rechargeable vac is far more attractive to shoppers than machines running at 150 bucks and up.

Venson

Hello Vacmanuk, Venson et al.

The airwatts and charge times are just part of the features for comparison of the B&D Flex [$65-$80] and dyson's handhelds [$150-$270].  The key to comparison of these products are the uses that they will serve for their owners.  In that respect they are product rivals and rightly so. 

Having said that, perhaps there is more appreciation for the issues that Consumer Reports faces in rating and ranking handhelds objectively for consumer review and research.

Carmine D.

From time to time you see a no name brand hand vac that offers the recharge/cord/auto option.....for dirt cheap....So why not apply this/these features to the B&D $80 end and without at the $65 end.....this would compinsate for its ok power level and address the biggest issue .....run time.  this option would by far take a chunk out of the comp and perhaps put it on top.....by offering what the others dont .

turtle1

retardturtle1 wrote:
Dear, dear turtle1,

There's nothing to fret about here. B&D, well-known AND reasonably priced, is already on top. Trust me. How many people do you know that are either willing or prepared to run out and drop approximately 200 bucks on a rechargeable hand-held?

Practicality in price and use is what wins the day here? I'd love to own a Mercedes but if what I can afford happens to be a Chevy, which one am I buying? You know there are only so many of us now crying over our great misfortune that we could only take one trip instead of our usual three to Europe this year.

Ten years ago we were living in a world where splurging now and then somehow could be worked into the budget. Credit possibilities were great. Speaking of the present, for the larger part of us those possibilities are no more.

In even more practical terms, rechargeable vacs still do not produce any where near the results of a regular vacuum costing less than double their price does. They are merely luxuries and please remember that term -- "luxury". Even those who like these new little trinkets can learn to live without them until money is freed up. The real reality now is all about who and how many you have to meet up with and with how much come the first of the month. No makers wondrous claims win out when when the landlord's knocking.

B&D has nothing to fear from Dyson.

Venson

The sales appeal of the B&D Flex, beside the name reocognition and low price, is its versatility and mass marketing.  It will do well despite the bad economic times.

I think it was Lucky1 who made the observation that indies have to adjust and adapt to the changing economic times/hardships to survive.  Same is true of floorcare makers and their product prices.  You can't place a $250 price tag on a 5-10 minute heldheld in hardtimes and expect customers to run to the stores and buy them up.  Ain't gonna happen.

Carmine D.