Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I got two "new" (used, but modern instead of vintage) machines this week.  They are both machines that I have been wanting to add to my collection, and that I have been wanting to use as a (cat owning mind you) consumer.

The first is an Oreck upright.  I know Riccar/Simplicity make a better machine with the Supralite/Freedom, but they are expensive and not easily found used.  The only things I had that could be considred light weight hitherto were my Dirt Devil Broom Vac (which I ADORE despite the way I feel bout dirt devil), and my Vorwerk upright.  I spent 50 dollars on the Oreck.  Not terrible as far as used Orecks on Craig's List in my area are going for.  I wanted the base model because I do not like loop style handles and I DO like foot switches opposed to handle switches.  Mine must be a step up from the base model, because it does have a headlight.  Actually, mine is the XL 100C from 1984, so it's kind of vintage (born the year after me, guess I'm vintage too!)... but still very similar to the machines produced today. 

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As a consumer, there are some things about it I don't like.  Orecks are known for not being powerful, and for being loud.  This one is quite loud, but not as loud as bad reviews lead me to fear.  One thing I don't like is the hanging hole in the back of the handle.  It just isn't comfortable to feel when pushing the machine.  Another thing is that the wheels are too small... this thing would be a nightmare on thick carpet!  Another thing I don't like is that it requires a screwdriver to replace the belt.  And FIVE (not two, but FIVE) screws have to be removed to change the belt!   I was amazed to see how simple everything was inside when I changed the belt!  ALSO...  when they say you can vacuum under a bed with an Oreck, that isn't true.  It will fit under a bed, but when it is flat, the machine raises up off the floor and does not make contact with the carpet!  They leave that little detail out in their advertising.  Just ilke when they say that the Oreck has automatic height adjustment.  What is really has is NO height adjustment.... but they aren't the only company to make that claim.  There is no air filtration other than the bag, but that doesn't bother me at all.  It may bother people who have been convinced vacuums are machines that need to have the world HEPA filter printed in their bodies instead of machines to clean carpet.  Newer models do have better filtration in their outer bag...this one actually has a vinyl bag!!!

Onto the things I do like... and there aren't many, but I'm still glad to have the machine as a collector.  It picks up the dirt!  Even powder was taken up with only one pass.  It wisks cat hair and litter away in no time flat.  I also like the fact that the headlight shines onto the floor and not the vacuum itself.  I don't need a headlight, but a light and a ballooning bag are signs of "life" in a vacuum for me as a collector.  I also like the fact that there is onboard belt and bag storage (though they forgot to include a scredriver holder).   And that there are NO on board tools to get in the way and fall off!  It seems to groom my one medium pile area rug nicely, though the rest of my carpet is flat /low pile so I can't tell for sure. 

I do have some questions though.  Firstly, is this vacuum supposed to have a quick release cord?  My upper cord hook has two srew holes, but only one screw is in it.  It looks like the previous owner actually removed one of the screws that should be in the cord hook to have a "make shift" quick release cord.  Also, why did Oreck put two separate wheels on each side of the back?  Why didn't they just use one big wheel on each side?  Do two separate ones offer some kind of benefit?


The next machine I got just yesterday at a flea market.  It is a Miele power nozzle canister that I paid a grand total of (drumroll please) 15 dollars for!  I almost had a heart attack when I saw the price on this thing.  It was sitting in the grass by an antiques table.  I plugged it in and both the machine and power nozzle ran fine.  I didn't even hesitate.  I almost offered the lady 100 dollars because I felt like I was stealing it for 15!  LOL.  This is the Miele Plus S251 with the SEB213 power nozzle.  What a nice machine!  It is still a current model and goes for 569 new!

There are a few things I don't like about it.  Many of these things are fixed on the top of the line models, but this is a low-mid range Miele, so I guess they had to leave some features off so the high end machines sell better.  Firstly, this machine doesn't come with a dusting brush!  No, mine isn't missing it... this model simply doesn't include one!  An almost 600 dollar vacuum doesn't have a dusting brush, come now!  And, my other machine's dusting brushes will not fit on it (I've tried Kirby and Dyson heretofore).  Also, the cord for the power nozzle isn't direct connect.  It is a separate wire that gets in the way and must be unplugged when one needs to use different attachments, or change the bag.  Though, I could just remove the hose to change the bag.  Because it isn't direct connect, the power nozzle isn't quick release.  I guess we're spoiled by high end Kenmores/Panisonics.  Also, there is no height adjustment on the power nozzle.  Another annoying thing is that the power nozzle does not stand up on its own accord.  I guess that's OK, because most of the ones that do fall over anyway, and they have integrated a power nozzle parking system into the machine.

There are two things that might bother some people that I actually like.  One is that the power switch is on the machine itself and not on the handle (just the brush roll on/off on handle).  Also, it does not have a gas pump or loop style handle.  I don't like those! 

What I do like about it.  Well, it's beautiful, powerful, and very quiet.  The parts fit together nicely.  The adjustable suction is really nice.  The retractable cord is awesome.  I've had machines were you actually had to help the cord back in.  The Miele just slurps the cord in quickly, all the way, every time.  I LOVE the 360 degree swivel wheels.  I have a small apartment with a lot of tight spaces, and I don't like using canisters because I have to turn the whole machine around all the time when the back wheels are fixed.  I can push this thing any which way and it just glides wonderfully!  Though that's annoying when trying to pull the cord out.  I love the park and storage transport clips that hold the power nozzle/wand assembly onto the machine so it doesn't fall down.  I love the rubber wheels on hard floors.  I love the fact that I finally own a Miele and got it for the price I did!

I do have a question about it though... The power nozzle does have a cogged belt.  But, I don't see an overload reset button.  What if I suck up my cat and the brush roll stalls?  Is it as simple as turning the machine on and back off again?  Also, the metal strip under the hand grip... is that to reduce static electricity?  How does that work? 

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I think I'm going to post flyers in my apartment complex offering a free vacuuming service just so I can play with my machines more... though I do feel a little guilty for forsaking my vintage machines for such modern ones lately.  Maybe my tastes are changing.  Well... thanks for reading this and for any responses.

Vacuumfreeeke wrote:

Hi Bobby:

Excellent price.  Even at $100, if complete and working well, it's a steal.  The MIELE S 251 has been around for quite awhile hence the "old-fashioned" features.  Tho, I'm surprised that there is no review[s] on it posted here.  Other MIELE canns but not the S251.  Consumer Reports has been testing and reporting on it for years.  Originally the S251 sold for about $450 new.  Your right that today the MSRP is $569.  Instead of going down in price, it goes up!  Yes, it does come with a dusting brush, and smooth floor brush, mid-size electric power head, two non-electric wands [hence the power nozzle cord], and combo upholstery nozzle/crevice tool.  This MIELE model has evolved to be the MIELE entry level canister for cleaning medium to thick pile wall-to-wall.  IMMER BESSER has been the MIELE logo for over 100 years, tho vacuums are probably 80 plus years old.  German phrase meaning "Forever better" and MIELE fits the description.  Well known in the industry for lasting 20 years plus and its vacuums are passed from generation to generation. 

The company is in its fourth generation of family ownership, family financed and family operated.  MIELE employs over 15,000 people in over 38 countries around the world.  MIELE is the family name and appears on all its appliances!

IMHO, if any vacuum maker combines both beauty and excellence in operation it is and always has been MIELE. Stunning design, dramatic colors, useful features, best filtration, and legendary durability.  Some say its not about the quality of the raw materials but the engineering.  Truly, MIELE epitomizes this with precision engineering.  Like all the other vacuums on the market, MIELE uses high-impact ABS plastic.  But MIELE and yours are made and tested to last at least 20 years.

MIELE-on!

Here is the number of MIELE in Boca Raton Florida, 800-220-1744 ext 5751 to call and ask about the round brush.  Also its Headquarters in Princeton NJ: 800-843-7231.

Carmine D.

Thanks, Carmine.  The Miele is truly heaven.  I have a question about the Oreck though.  It still has the original brushroll on it!  I want to get a new one for it... do they all take the same one, or do I need to look for one specifically for an older machine? 

Thanks

Vacuumfreeeke wrote:

Hello Bobby:

Your XL 100C is standard brush roll.  Only a few exceptions to the standard ORECK brush roll.

Here is a site [not endorsing] with the specifics:

http://www.totalvac.com/accessory/parts/O-7520201.html

Carmine D.

Vacuumfreeeke wrote:

Bobby:

WRT your above questions, the vacuum has a thermal shut down feature in the event you stall the brush roll and/or the vacuum senses an overload.

I believe the metal is for reinforcement.

Carmine D.

I can't believe no one else has responded to this thread... I know many people don't like Oreck, but I thought I'd get some comments on the Miele.  Thank you for your advice though.

I found a brush roll for about 20 buck on Ebay.  Is there a difference between the one with the red bristles and the one with the black bristles?  Will a new one have siffer bristles than mine?  Will I need to keep my end caps and felt pads from the old brush roll, or should a new one come with its own (I'll buy a new one instead of a used one).  I put the Oreck on my kitchen floor with a new belt and it didn't move at all.  Then I tried to suck up some powder and I had to go over it a few times instead of just once.  So, that's why I think I need a new brush roll.  Plus, I think I made a mistake.  I put a few drops of sewing machine oil in the end caps, and now when I turn the machine off, the brush roll makes an awful sound as it winds down.  Should they not be oiled?

Hello Bobby:

The ORECK brush roll has bearing settings for "new" and "old."  These settings should match on both ends before installing and connecting the belt.  Now they should both be set on the "old" setting.  No oil needed.  Especially no oil on the surface that the belt rides on.  Remove all the oil if there is any on the surface where the belt rides.  Brush roll, if it's genuine ORECK which I recommend using, will be complete with bearing ends and brush roll plates.  Red/black bristles are probably insignificant.  Sounds like you need a new brush roll if it's not cascading across the floor by its own momentum in the upright and on position.

Keep me posted on both new additions to your collection.

Carmine D.

Vacuumfreeeke wrote: Nothing unusual about this.  Poor suction is typical of Oreck.  Some preach about Oreck's merits, however they shy away from attempting real world tests.  I bet it would choke on baking soda.

Hello HARDSELL. HAPPY NEW YEAR

Considering this ORECK vacuum is 25 years old, cost $50, and is most likely in need of a new brush roll, I'd say a few passes to pick up everything is doing well.  At least it's not blowing it all over the floor as some claim.  BTW, I know a certain brand name which even when new takes a few passes to pick up all the kapoc on rugs.  And it costs $400 plus.  But seems this brand name gets a pass from you.  Not the old vintage ORECK in need of a new brush roll, which you hold to a higher standard than even your own brand new fave brand vacuum.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

And a HAPPY NEW YEAR to you also Carmine.

Now, please share all of your knowledge with a novice.  We have an Oreck with a new belt and bag.  Presumably no obstructions and It will not pick up powder.  Forget that the brush may or not be working properly.  The brush can and should be turned off on better machines so no big deal if it isn't working.  Who gives a $#%* if it is 1 year or 25 years old?  No reason not to pick up powder.  BTW, we are discussing a simple test on a real product that should be easily picked up on a hard surface.  The old bissel rotating brooms would do this easily. 

I still leave the kapoc in my life preservers.  My home is not so filthy that anything in or on the carpet resembles kapoc.  How does one live in such filth if it does resemble kapoc?

Hello HARDSELL:

You're no novice. But you fell asleep at the wheel with the new ORECK.  Are you still asleep?  Or just dreaming?  Simple answer my friend.  The brush roll for the ORECK is an integral part of the suction power created on both floors and carpets for cleaning and pick up.  Hence the reason it does not have/require a brush roll shut off.  This particular 25 year old ORECK is probably 3.5 and/or 4 AMPS.  Current full size uprights are 12 amps.  The equalizer for the ORECK upright is and always has been the brush roll which revolves at a speed of over 6500 RPM.  Stroke of ORECK genius.  He recognized over 45 years ago that a brush roll is as important to cleaning as suction power.  Maybe more so.  Some still don't get it!

Pet hair my friend is how homes get so filthy that vacuum makers/sellers use kapoc for demo purposes.  Over 74 million 4 legged furry friends natiowide.  During peak shedding periods, the homes of these pets are in dire need of good vacuums which make the EXCELLENT grade in a single pass.  Kapoc is the ideal substitute for pet hair for several reasons.  In a kapoc rug cleaning match between the vintage 25 year old ORECK [with a new bag, belt and brush] and a new dyson DC07/14, dysons choke.

Carmine D.