Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Some observations -

• Oreck is conspicuously missing from the upright ratings.
• Panasonic has a new AeroBlast for $700 is a apparently a poor copy of a Dyson that burps loudly when it reverses the air flow to clean the filter.   Why would anyone pay so much for a Dyson copy, particularly when the filter clogs with fine dust?
  
• Hoover's fall from grace is noted, presumably due to their ill conceived bagless vacuums.  Hoover now has the worst reliability of the uprights.  Dyson is second only to Kirby in the reliability rankings.   
  
• For uprights, Kenmore takes the top 2 spots (bagged and bagless), followed by the Riccar SupraLite RSL3, the Electrolux Oxygen EL5035A, and the Kirby Sentria.  
  
• The Halo is #33 on the list for uprights. 
  
• The $60 Hoover Tempo Widepath has a better tool airflow score than the Dyson DC17 as well as better carpet cleaning scores. 
  

HARDSELL wrote:

Good man:

I don't believe you have ever said that in conjunction with an Oreck, HOOVER, BISSELL and any other brand save dyson.  However, as a gentleman, I will give you the benefit of the doubt rather than asking you to provide a link for proof.

Carmine D.

The only reason Dyson vacuums are not Carpet & Rug Institute certified is simply because Dyson hasn't paid the CRI to endorse them!  If Dyson wanted to become certified by the CRI, they could do so very easily, however, Dyson has done well with word of mouth so they have not needed that paid endorsement.  Hoover and Oreck's sales have no doubt been affected by the Dyson's presence (and not in a positive way), so they need that added "advantage" so to speak. 

Carmine, I have noticed that you constantly say things about the Dyson that are not true, and then repeat them ad nauseum until you think people believe them.   An example is your continual reference to the DC07 as having been "discontinued'; it is not.  What it is in fact is Dyson's best selling current upright; more DC07s are sold than any other model.  Not only is it Dyson's lowest priced machine, it is the model that built Dyson's priceless reputation.  Many times you have said that Wal-Mart has "scrubbed" the Dyson from their shelves...once again, they have not.  The DC07 Original is a current Wal-Mart-exclusive model and sells for $379, $20 less than the DC07 All Floors sold at other retailers. 

You also seem to take great delight in a scare tactic that I call lying to the consumer.  You have made reference to a clutch change in a Dyson costing $130 at a vacuum shop.  According to more than one Dyson dealer I've talked to, the wholesale (not retail) cost of the clutch assembly (including the 2 belts) is $19.36.  There are three screws involved in the replacement of the clutch.  Most vac shops do not realize that the clutch rarely needs to be replaced, but the belt from the clutch to the motor is replaceable and can be accomplished in less than 5 minutes.  To charge a customer $130 to replace a $19 part is exactly what's wrong with vacuum shops today.  They themselves are putting themselves out of business, and yet you take great delight in reporting it even though you claim to be a "champion" of the vac shop and an "industry insider".  It infuriates me when you repeat something that's not true, just to convince yourself and other people that it is.  After all, according to what I've read here, you also "championed" the absolute worst (in my opinion) bagless upright vacuum ever made, the Eureka Whirlwind divided-cup upright.  Which, by the way, is not the first cyclonic machine (if you can even call it that; it really is only a single-cyclone machine with a clogging filter)...the Fantom company holds that distinction.  If you gave those horrid machines (and even that is understating it) away to your friends, you must not have cared for them.  That's like giving someone a Regina Housekeeper, or an Oreck.

Never forget that the outstanding performance of the DC07 built and continues to build Dyson's reputation today.  It doesn't matter what Consumer Reports says, it doesn't matter what some vac shop owner says, it doesn't matter what the Carpet and Rug Institute says.  When it comes down to it, who are you going to believe if you are a consumer?  A vac shop owner, or your sister who owns the machine and brags about it nonstop?  That's what makes the Dyson different...people actually brag about it!  No one has ever sworn by their Hoover Tempo, though they might swear *at* it (as I have heard). 

By the way, I can just imagine how exciting the meeting you had with the carpet people and 30 homeowners who have nothing better to do than to sit in a room discussing how you are going to vacuum your carpets!  It must have been a thrill a minute!  I can hardly believe there were 30 people who had so much extra time to throw away on something as pointless as that...no wonder there's something wrong with the housing market today.  Speaking of which, I also called Mohawk Carpets today.  The use of a Dyson on Mohawk carpet will not void the warranty. 

As I always say, my 2 cents!

-MH

Motorhead wrote:

MH:

THis is an old [read out-of date] argument that a fine fellow Jim B made years ago on a now defunct Forum.  Long before dyson was raked over the coals for making false claims about "never clogs, never loses suction."  Both of which are no longer used by retailers.

Do you have any new arguments and/or endorsements to make for dyson performance and operation besides word of mouth? 

Carmine D.

Motorhead wrote:

MH:

That's certainly more than 2 cents worth.  But I appreciate the response on behalf of your favorite brand dyson and my dear friend HARDSELL. 

Let me deal first and now with the part I excerpted only:

Mohawk is not the carpet maker.  It is my home carpet maker.  Other home buyers may have chosen other brands.  Amenities on the homes like flooring and carpeting are customized according to the home buyers [at least when I bought].  I can provide you the carpet maker which voids its warranty if dysons are used, if you like.  And you can call/research.  It is very well known.  If fact, the good gentleman I quoted in my above post, Jim B., is well aware of the fact and will corroborate it.

The purpose of these monthly builder-contractor meetings [the one my dear Wife and I attended was September 20, 2006 about 3 weeks after purchasing the DC07 pink] is to educate buyers and residents on the new homes [which range now with the depressed housing market for $250,000 to $450,000 plus] about the best  products and ways to prolong the life and usage of their homes.  And ensure the homes are maintained properly and keep their value.  The meetings are still ongoing.  So the messages are repeated in each session.  Floors and rugs are an integral part of the value of the homes.  The builder and the sub contractor warn, and continue to, against the use of dysons on the rugs. 

I will address other points which I take issues in future posts as the time and space permits.

Carmine D.

Motorhead wrote:

I said the DC07 and DC14 "will be" discontinued.  NOT "is."  Why?  The clutch in part.  The weak brush roll.  And the undeniable fact that it was designed for European carpets not USA carpets.

Which reminds me.  The DC07 All Carpets, a Wal*Mart exclusive, WAS discontinued.  After a lackluster sales record with Wal*Mart.  It is the best of all the DC07 dysons IMHO.  Why?  No clutch issue on USA carpets.  Dyson made a fatal product error by discontinuing it.  At $359 and with a 5 year warranty it would have sold much better than the existing DC07 models on the market, all of which will be discontinued as the retailers sell out and clear out.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

My good friend:

If you are afraid to write a review on the Royal Eminence, maybe you have courage to answer me this question.  As one who criticized the performance of the HOOVER WindTuinnel, HOOVER Fusion, Oreck XL21, and BISSELL Healthy Home, why would you sell the only vacuum that you ever praised as THE EXCELLENT ONE?  I can understand to buy the latest and greatest in the same brand, save that then why?  [I know it was a big mistake].

CArmine D.

Motorhead wrote:

Again, to correct you:  I said that the Eureka Whirlwind was the first UPRIGHT cyclonic vacuum to USE the moniker.  Go back and check my post.  Or do I have to find it and post it for you?

Wow, I'm tired already.  I'll get to the other points in due time. 

But would rather deal with CR and vacuum related issues.  Like why if the DC07 is the signature vacuum for dyson as you claim, and its best seller, it could never manage to get into the top tier of the CR ratings like the DC17?  Not even a respectable honorable mention? 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Tryin to twist again.  Actually your comment is senseless.

To say that there is no absolute best would be inclusive of all brands.  Now, if I had said that there is definitely an absolute worst then I may have included a couple of those you mention. 

HARDSELL wrote:

My good friend:

Factor in the price for the vacuum, and my vote would be for your fave brand as the worse of all. 

Carmine D.