Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Some observations -

• Oreck is conspicuously missing from the upright ratings.
• Panasonic has a new AeroBlast for $700 is a apparently a poor copy of a Dyson that burps loudly when it reverses the air flow to clean the filter.   Why would anyone pay so much for a Dyson copy, particularly when the filter clogs with fine dust?
  
• Hoover's fall from grace is noted, presumably due to their ill conceived bagless vacuums.  Hoover now has the worst reliability of the uprights.  Dyson is second only to Kirby in the reliability rankings.   
  
• For uprights, Kenmore takes the top 2 spots (bagged and bagless), followed by the Riccar SupraLite RSL3, the Electrolux Oxygen EL5035A, and the Kirby Sentria.  
  
• The Halo is #33 on the list for uprights. 
  
• The $60 Hoover Tempo Widepath has a better tool airflow score than the Dyson DC17 as well as better carpet cleaning scores. 
  

mole wrote:

MOLE,  we agree on one thing.  Corporate America is out to screw all.

Now lets go back in time before Dyson.  My point is that those owners with the BACKGROUND as you say profited from repairs more than from sales.  Dyson was not invented, however there was no shortage of vacuum repairs to be made.  Now in more modern times we have Dyson and no indy has profited enough to stay in business solely on Dyson sales or repairs. 

You can't be referring to Dyson when you say the COMPANY because you have already established that the owners were ignorant of the business.  I wonder how many reading here are in this group.   I think 2 at least.  You pick them.

Did I tell you that I like Dyson?

Hello Good Friend:

I remind you again that after my experience with the dyson, my dear Wife and I attended a floor care session presented by our builder and the floor and rug sub contractor.  There were about 30 residents in attendance.  Some like me who bought and used dysons.  All complained pretty much with the same problem I had.  You know the rest.  But here it is again. We and all other home buyers are warned not to use dysons on our carpets.  Why?  Won't work. 

You know the reason.  There is no height adjustment on the dyson DC07.  And it has a weighted down rug nozzle head.  The combination of the two causes the the dyson to sink into many USA carpets.  Worse than being hard to push and pull over the carpet is the gawdawful ratcheting noise due to the clutch.  Which dyson discontinued on later models [and one of the reasons that the DC07 and DC14 are being discontinued].  Why? Not made for US rugs save low, smooth pile similiar to European rugs. 

That's why you are biased.  You presume that if one lone dyson is excellent in your particular application it must be for all.  It is not.  What do you have to gain?  Trying not to look like a total dummie when others, including seasoned professionals, and Consumer Reports and a major carpet manufacturer [which will not warranty its carpets with dyson vacuums] tell you why your dyson case is not representative of all.

Carmine D.

BTW, Venson eloquently and wisely made this point [see my last post and paragraph] to all on the thread on Lightweights.  If you missed it, here it is again.  You should read it again.

Carmine D.

Lucky1 wrote:
The belief, hard work, tenacity, discoveries, science, and inventions that are championed into commercialized products from James Dyson, his fellow inventors and his support team/s compliments the designs and marketing quite well. DIB

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine I do believe that I have stated more than once that there is no absolute best of any consumer good.   I am not surprised that you did not comprehend when I said it.

CarmineD wrote:

And you think that one isolated failure in your home on carpet that is not prevalent in most homes Makes Dyson a failure.  Get real your biased moron. 

HARDSELL wrote:

My good man:

A community with over 3,000 new homes and a leading [read major] rug manufacturer are hardly considered an isolated biased opinion except to a moron.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Good man:

I don't believe you have ever said that in conjunction with an Oreck, HOOVER, BISSELL and any other brand save dyson.  However, as a gentleman, I will give you the benefit of the doubt rather than asking you to provide a link for proof.

Carmine D.

The only reason Dyson vacuums are not Carpet & Rug Institute certified is simply because Dyson hasn't paid the CRI to endorse them!  If Dyson wanted to become certified by the CRI, they could do so very easily, however, Dyson has done well with word of mouth so they have not needed that paid endorsement.  Hoover and Oreck's sales have no doubt been affected by the Dyson's presence (and not in a positive way), so they need that added "advantage" so to speak. 

Carmine, I have noticed that you constantly say things about the Dyson that are not true, and then repeat them ad nauseum until you think people believe them.   An example is your continual reference to the DC07 as having been "discontinued'; it is not.  What it is in fact is Dyson's best selling current upright; more DC07s are sold than any other model.  Not only is it Dyson's lowest priced machine, it is the model that built Dyson's priceless reputation.  Many times you have said that Wal-Mart has "scrubbed" the Dyson from their shelves...once again, they have not.  The DC07 Original is a current Wal-Mart-exclusive model and sells for $379, $20 less than the DC07 All Floors sold at other retailers. 

You also seem to take great delight in a scare tactic that I call lying to the consumer.  You have made reference to a clutch change in a Dyson costing $130 at a vacuum shop.  According to more than one Dyson dealer I've talked to, the wholesale (not retail) cost of the clutch assembly (including the 2 belts) is $19.36.  There are three screws involved in the replacement of the clutch.  Most vac shops do not realize that the clutch rarely needs to be replaced, but the belt from the clutch to the motor is replaceable and can be accomplished in less than 5 minutes.  To charge a customer $130 to replace a $19 part is exactly what's wrong with vacuum shops today.  They themselves are putting themselves out of business, and yet you take great delight in reporting it even though you claim to be a "champion" of the vac shop and an "industry insider".  It infuriates me when you repeat something that's not true, just to convince yourself and other people that it is.  After all, according to what I've read here, you also "championed" the absolute worst (in my opinion) bagless upright vacuum ever made, the Eureka Whirlwind divided-cup upright.  Which, by the way, is not the first cyclonic machine (if you can even call it that; it really is only a single-cyclone machine with a clogging filter)...the Fantom company holds that distinction.  If you gave those horrid machines (and even that is understating it) away to your friends, you must not have cared for them.  That's like giving someone a Regina Housekeeper, or an Oreck.

Never forget that the outstanding performance of the DC07 built and continues to build Dyson's reputation today.  It doesn't matter what Consumer Reports says, it doesn't matter what some vac shop owner says, it doesn't matter what the Carpet and Rug Institute says.  When it comes down to it, who are you going to believe if you are a consumer?  A vac shop owner, or your sister who owns the machine and brags about it nonstop?  That's what makes the Dyson different...people actually brag about it!  No one has ever sworn by their Hoover Tempo, though they might swear *at* it (as I have heard). 

By the way, I can just imagine how exciting the meeting you had with the carpet people and 30 homeowners who have nothing better to do than to sit in a room discussing how you are going to vacuum your carpets!  It must have been a thrill a minute!  I can hardly believe there were 30 people who had so much extra time to throw away on something as pointless as that...no wonder there's something wrong with the housing market today.  Speaking of which, I also called Mohawk Carpets today.  The use of a Dyson on Mohawk carpet will not void the warranty. 

As I always say, my 2 cents!

-MH