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M00seUK


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Dyson financial results
Original Message   Nov 4, 2007 7:18 am
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/11/04/cndyson104.xml

Results on year to December 2006 :-
  • Profits up 19 per cent to £115m
  • Sales up 9 per cent to £514.7m
  • R&D spend increased, up £20m to £70m
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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson financial results
Reply #11   Jan 16, 2008 12:15 pm
Hello M00seUK:

You're perspective on personal product and company success is very different than financial success.  But welcome.  I like to see the numbers myself. 

Carmine D.

M00seUK


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Re: Dyson financial results
Reply #12   Jan 16, 2008 12:31 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello M00seUK:

You're perspective on personal product and company success is very different than financial success.  But welcome.  I like to see the numbers myself. 

Carmine D.


T'is true. If Dyson was a public quoted company, I'd agree that the financials would be different.
M00seUK


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Re: Dyson financial results
Reply #13   Jan 18, 2008 5:42 am
CarmineD wrote:
Hello M00seUK:

If I recall correctly, maybe not, the nix on dyson's school at the particular location of interest in the UK was due to environmental issues and concerns by the local governmental authorities.  Are these things that dyson and the locals can resolve mutually and/or deal breakers?

Carmine D.


FLOOD TESTS AT DYSON SITE
CarmineD


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Re: Dyson financial results
Reply #14   Jan 18, 2008 7:14 am
Thanks M00seUK.

Reading the locals' comments about Sir Jaydee's school plans and geographic location and about the new generation of vacuums is very insightful.   

I'd have to say based on these select few comments that the honey moon period for dyson in the UK is certainly over.  The billionaire business man is no longer viewed as the little guy with an idea who makes good.

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: Dyson financial results
Reply #15   Mar 27, 2008 6:43 pm
Here is a synopsis of dyson sales and profit for 2007 according to a reliable source:

Total sales in dollars: $1 Billion

Net profit after taxes: $64 Million

Increase in sales for 2007 over 2006: 10 percent

Carmine D.

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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: Dyson financial results
Reply #16   Mar 27, 2008 7:52 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Here is a synopsis of dyson sales and profit for 2007 according to a reliable source:

Total sales in dollars: $1 Billion

Net profit after taxes: $64 Million

Increase in sales for 2007 over 2006: 10 percent

Carmine D.



I believe you rang the death knell for Dyson by 2007.  What happened?
CarmineD


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Re: Dyson financial results
Reply #17   Mar 28, 2008 6:59 am
HARDSELL wrote:
I believe you rang the death knell for Dyson by 2007.  What happened?

Hello HARDSELL:

Good question.  If the 2007 results I posted are valid [I believe the source is very reliable], it appears there are erroneous/contradictory financial results and sales data reported here recently for dyson.  What happened?  Is the difference the phenomenon of inventory on hand vice actual sales to customers?  Seems like a very high inventory on hand which is entirely possible seeing DC07,14 and 15 models still advertised and sold. But I sincerely doubt, since dyson counts shipments to retailers as sales [which would include end of year dyson retailers' inventory on hand and unsold].   

It appears from the data I posted that the 2 Million dyson units [approximately] are worldwide and not in the USA, as previously reported.  [At $1B in sales using an average sale price per dyson vacuum of $500 the result is 2 million].  Don't know if the $140,000 in AirBlade sales are included in the $1B sales amount.  Factoring in the percent of USA sales only, then the dyson vacuum market share in the USA [by units] is reduced from the 10 percent recently posted [according to NPD we were told], to probably 4-5 percent of total unit sales for 2007 in the USA.  That's seems reasonable and unimpressive unless quoted in dollar terms.

Carmine D.

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HARDSELL


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Re: Dyson financial results
Reply #18   Mar 28, 2008 9:24 am
CarmineD wrote:
Hello HARDSELL:

Good question.  If the 2007 results I posted are valid [I believe the source is very reliable], it appears there are erroneous/contradictory financial results and sales data reported here recently for dyson.  What happened?  Is the difference the phenomenon of inventory on hand vice actual sales to customers?  Seems like a very high inventory on hand which is entirely possible seeing DC07,14 and 15 models still advertised and sold. But I sincerely doubt, since dyson counts shipments to retailers as sales [which would include end of year dyson retailers' inventory on hand and unsold].   

It appears from the data I posted that the 2 Million dyson units [approximately] are worldwide and not in the USA, as previously reported.  [At $1B in sales using an average sale price per dyson vacuum of $500 the result is 2 million].  Don't know if the $140,000 in AirBlade sales are included in the $1B sales amount.  Factoring in the percent of USA sales only, then the dyson vacuum market share in the USA [by units] is reduced from the 10 percent recently posted [according to NPD we were told], to probably 4-5 percent of total unit sales for 2007 in the USA.  That's seems reasonable and unimpressive unless quoted in dollar terms.

Carmine D.


Uninpressive as far as units sold.  Coulld it be that the standard measure of counting units sold as success is out dated.  Profits are impressive and more important.  I thought you might have learned that when Hoover folded. 

CarmineD


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Re: Dyson financial results
Reply #19   Mar 28, 2008 1:05 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
Uninpressive as far as units sold.  Coulld it be that the standard measure of counting units sold as success is out dated.  Profits are impressive and more important.  I thought you might have learned that when Hoover folded. 



Well HARDSELL, not sure about all that you say.  Doing the math, jaydee is netting $32 profit per dyson sold.  Seems to me that $50 retail mark up on the new HOOVER WT is looking better by at least $16 more per vacuum. 

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: Dyson financial results
Reply #20   Mar 28, 2008 1:42 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello HARDSELL:

It appears from the data I posted that the 2 Million dyson units [approximately] are worldwide and not in the USA, as previously reported.  [At $1B in sales using an average sale price per dyson vacuum of $500 the result is 2 million].  Don't know if the $140,000 in AirBlade sales are included in the $1B sales amount.  Factoring in the percent of USA sales only, then the dyson vacuum market share in the USA [by units] is reduced from the 10 percent recently posted [according to NPD we were told], to probably 4-5 percent of total unit sales for 2007 in the USA.  That's seems reasonable and unimpressive unless quoted in dollar terms.

Carmine D.


The reason for the difference is wholesale and retail.  My calculation is based on retail sales.  Dyson's data are based on wholesale prices to retailers.  The 2 Million dyson units sold in the USA [as told per the NPD] is based on wholesale prices to retailers not retail prices to customers.  What does that mean?  It means a retailer is making about $250 per dyson [based on an average retail price of $500 per dyson] before paying overhead and operating expenses.  Not too shabby even when they offer 10-20 percent and more off, the profit margins for the retailers is huge.

Carmine D.

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