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Dwhite252


Joined: Feb 20, 2014
Points: 3

Honda HS828 Surging
Original Message   Feb 20, 2014 6:24 pm
I have a Honda HS828 snowblower that recently started surging. It has ran perfect all year until a couple days ago when it started surging about 20 minutes after running it. The motor surged for a while then it died and would only run for a few minutes at a time at about half throttle then it would surge and die. That was also the warmest weather (low 30s) that I have fun this snowblower in. I pulled the carb apart and it looked pretty clean. Could this be a weather related issue? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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hirschallan


If it aint broke don't fix it !!


Location: Northern Hills of NY
Joined: Aug 25, 2005
Points: 327

Re: Honda HS828 Surging
Reply #1   Feb 20, 2014 7:38 pm
Run it with the gas cap loose. If it runs fine then check for a clogged vent in the gas cap.
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jrom


Location: Northern Michigan/Sleeping Bear Dunes
Joined: Dec 18, 2013
Points: 6

Re: Honda HS828 Surging
Reply #2   Feb 21, 2014 11:27 am
My HS828 (1991) had this problem also a couple of years ago. I tried the gas cap trick, but it didn't help. I disassembled and cleaned the carb, still surged. Now this will seem strange and I should have known better, but in the 19-20 years of using this blower, I never drained the gas - I know, not a good idea - but it always started every winter. I did however start it about every 2-4 weeks throughout the year...maybe that helped. I noticed little bits of debris floating/hovering at the bottom of the tank. At that time, the fuel filter/joint (JOINT, FUEL TANK (Honda Code 1427459) was listed as obsolete, with no alternative part available, so I drained the tank, cut a small piece of wood about 3/8" square and 12" long and inverted a wad of duct tape on the end, then tap/stuck all of the junk on the tank bottom. Refilled with fresh gas, started up and it hasn't surged for the last two years. You never know, it could be this.
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niper99


Location: London Ont
Joined: Dec 2, 2007
Points: 354

Re: Honda HS828 Surging
Reply #3   Feb 21, 2014 1:59 pm
Did u remove the main jet and nozzle to inspect for debris?? if not u will need to do this to make sure its clean?? it can NOT be done just looking at it..
Dwhite252


Joined: Feb 20, 2014
Points: 3

Re: Honda HS828 Surging
Reply #4   Feb 21, 2014 4:39 pm
I haven't taken the main jet out yet. I am going to see how it runs now that it is cold again. If it Still surges I'll take the carb all the way apart and give it a good cleaning. I will also take a better look in the gas tank for debris. Thanks for the replys.
RIT333


Joined: Jan 3, 2008
Points: 33

Re: Honda HS828 Surging
Reply #5   Feb 21, 2014 8:31 pm
Make sure that all of the small passages are opened up.  I may take a fine piece of wire to clean it out.
jrtrebor


Location: Michigan - 3 hours north of Chicago on the lake
Joined: Feb 10, 2010
Points: 539

Re: Honda HS828 Surging
Reply #6   Feb 21, 2014 9:51 pm
I agree with the above post.
You have to clean all the small passages.
That means running a small wire through them.
Just spraying carb. cleaner through them won't always even work.
There are three very, very small passages in the carb throat on the throttle
plate side. Those can often cause problems if you don't run a wire in them.
You also as mentioned have to take out the main jet.
Those small passage become clogged easily.
It only takes a particle about half the size of a grain of salt to cause problems.
Most of the things that clog carbs originate in the fuel bowl.

MN_Runner


Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Joined: Dec 5, 2010
Points: 622

Re: Honda HS828 Surging
Reply #7   Feb 22, 2014 2:10 pm
Dwhite252 wrote:
I haven't taken the main jet out yet. I am going to see how it runs now that it is cold again. If it Still surges I'll take the carb all the way apart and give it a good cleaning. I will also take a better look in the gas tank for debris. Thanks for the replys.


I would just buy a new genunie Honda carburator and replace the assocated gaskets.  You will have trouble free usage for a long time. 
jrom


Location: Northern Michigan/Sleeping Bear Dunes
Joined: Dec 18, 2013
Points: 6

Re: Honda HS828 Surging
Reply #8   Feb 22, 2014 7:19 pm
I've been typing on a phone, so sorry about not being clear. As the others, I agree about cleaning every opening on the carb with a wire (I used a torch cleaning kit from Menard's). Mine still surged after this cleaning' and then started backfiring. I ordered a new carb and gaskets, then cleaned the floaters in the tank before the new carb arrived...at least I have a spare OEM carb on the shelf now.
Dwhite252


Joined: Feb 20, 2014
Points: 3

Re: Honda HS828 Surging
Reply #9   Feb 23, 2014 5:32 am
The temps were back down into the low teens again today (Saturday) and I had to clear about 8 inches of crusty hard snow that we got on Thursday night. I ran the snowblower for over an hour and it ran the whole time without surging at all. I never did go through the carb yet so I'm still not sure what the problem was. The thought of ordering a new carb did cross my mind. I think I will still consider it for the future if it starts surging again. Thanks for all the help everyone.
niper99


Location: London Ont
Joined: Dec 2, 2007
Points: 354

Re: Honda HS828 Surging
Reply #10   Feb 24, 2014 12:31 pm
ya the Honda carb prices are pretty cheap.. my guess is the needle could be sticking intermittently.. u could just try and replace the needle and see what that does, but it wouldn't hurt to replace the brass seat as well, the issue is the brass seat is pressed into the carb body and not easily replaced without having some experience in doing that.. might just be worth replacing the whole carb as a unit.. the needle and seat is kinda pricey around $15 Canadian.. so if u can get a carb for $40-50 might just be worth it..
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