Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

Hello..I think i have read all the other snow blower posts.I could not find the information i was looking for.

Looking for a relatively lightweight, relatively compact snow blower.Not electric..but single stage gas seems like it may be fine for our needs.
please advise, as i have a couple specific questions.

specs and details.( our personal specs)
older operator..needs something easy to use and self propelled and not too heavy or difficult to store.

do not want electric ( tried it..)

am looking at the new Toro Power clear series.
Either the 210R38587or 89..
OR
 421 Q 38588

i cannot find reviews for the power clear which tell me the following information.:
(this is where i need your help)

we have snow falls of about 8-10 inches pretty regularly throughout the winter. I think these above machines will handle that.
*****If anyone has experience with them, advice gratefully will be received.***

MY MAIN QUESTION: can THESE MACHINES also handle snow which the city snow blowers have made into "mountains" at the end of the driveway?
The chutes appear to be about 8 inches tall in these blowers.. at least in the 210R.

We would have to 'run the snow blower straight into the mountain," and let it munch up and chew and blow the snow away from there.

hopefully someone here can help.
many thanks
alice

In terms of mobility, you won't notice any difference between the 2 unless you are lifting them up. The powerlite and the power clear 221/210/421 will be equally mobile and "light" when on the ground on their wheels. I have an old CR20 which is small and light and I notice no difference wheeling it around than I do the 221QR, which is bigger and heavier. I also responded to your other post elsewhere :-)

thank you once again, Super.

yes, i guess they are all about the same weight..

i guess i am thinking of 'off season' or if we have to move it around in tight areas like a storage shed or garage..

more thinking to myself than anything else..

Size is another factor as our storage area is not HUGE..( and already contains a fair amount of machinery, etc.)

which is really one of the reasons i may be considering the power Lite.

it is 18 inches and the others are 21 inches.
not a huge difference, but some difference when you are counting the inches of space.


cheerio
and thanks again,
alice

Although I have no experience with single stage snow throwers, I do understand their operating principles and question how well the revolving paddles will deal with lumpy, frozen end of driveway snow deposits. A two stage with steel augers, more weight and driven wheels, can gnaw and carve into the hard snow but even with this advantage, I've had days when it was pretty difficult using a top notch snow thrower. Problem is that the snow the ploughs push to the side is often packed by vehicular traffic. It doesn't take long for the plough deposit to set up if left only for a short time. I'm having trouble imagining a single stage snow thrower getting the job done with the end of driveway deposits that I'm used to seeing. I can see the need for a shovel to break things up in order to use a single stage on that stuff. Suggest Alice to negotiate a deal with a neighbour who has a two stage to tackle the e.o.d. stuff if the going gets too tough for the single stage.

Thank you ,Borat..

Those are some significant things to think about.

I did ask the sales man if he thought the small machine could tackle the mountains EDS ( are those the correct initials..i am thinking of End of Driveway Snow )?

He said that if we were to chop up the mounds into small chunks that we could safely remove it without problem.

i have been thinking to myself also: "what if there is ice from frozen salted slush." ?
I read that that can cause something to shear...

does not sound good.

We are on a new development area and there are only a few lots with homes on them.. No one has been there for the winter yet..
so we do not know who will have a two stage blower.

i was even thinking maybe we should find a snow plow guy to do this part of it..but some of them ( unless they have good references or are well known for their care) are the pits as far as slicing lawns and making messes.

well , more things to consider,.. thank you.


PPS.. the Toro sales person i spoke to today says that for some reason we should be using MID GRADE GAS in our machines..Something about the regular grade not working well..
anyone heard of that?

alice

First I've heard of using mid grade gas. Not sure why. All two stroke engines and four stroke OPE engines that I've owned run fine on regular fuel. As a matter of fact, I also run regular fuel in all of my motorcycles, ATVs, and automobiles. You might want to ask the salesperson why he recommends mid grade fuel.

i'm a big fan of single stage snowblowers and the toros are the way to go, imo, if buying one - i have owned several and they are great machines.  having said this if storage space and time was not an issue i would probably recommend a mid sized 2 stage snowblower in your situation - something like an ariens deluxe 24.  more versitile and able to handle more snow situations.  with a single stage, it will get through the EOD but not w/o having to use a shovel to break up etc and this in itself can be a chore.  with a 2 stage you are getting a machine that has a drive mechanism and able to handle more diffucult snowfalls.

No offense to the guys on this board who also work at OPE shops (and have great knowledge thatt hey share with us) but I've found every sales guy at OPE shops to have extremely poor product knowledge.  There is no reason to use mid grade gas at all - it offers no benefit. 

With regards to solid ice at the end of the driveway, a single stage is not ideal for this.  Icy/slushy snow will be fine, but solid ice - a two stage is better.  Everywhere else I've found the single stage to be a bit faster to work with and clear all the way to the pavement.

IMO I think the 210R will get damaged with the EOD. Those paddles will probably brake apart with hard iced and compacted EOD.

superbuick wrote:
From my experience, there are some OPE sales guy that are new and don't know their stuff, and some farts that know their stuff but aren't willing to share or educate the average consumer.  They fear that once you're armed with knowledge and made an informed decision, you'll quickly run to Home Depot to save 20 bucks. 

"IMO I think the 210R will get damaged with the EOD. Those paddles will probably brake apart with hard iced and compacted EOD."
I have never seen a set of Toro paddles destroyed by EOD in my area. (Southern Ontario)
I'm not saying that it has never happened in the history of mankind, but the paddles are pliable and tend too stop when they encounter rocks or ice. They can burn belts, but people generally let go of the bails before that happens.
Steel augers dont fare as well when they take a hit and replacing shear pins can be a pain in the butt that some dont want too deal with. Repairs can get expensive.
EOD is the toughest part of snowblowing. Knowing what you are dealing with will determine how you approach getting rid of it.
Powering thru it is one method, but its not the only way.