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Mister_Bojack


Joined: Jul 15, 2008
Points: 25

I'm done with bags and I need some advice on bagless models.
Original Message   Aug 11, 2011 4:59 pm
I can't stand the smells anymore. Carbon filters don't work. Neither do the treated bags. I'm really curious about a few models of bagless power nozzle canisters:

1. LG Kompressor

2. Hoover Windtunnel Bagless. (The silver canister rebadged for Hoover. aka LG Cyking)

3. Hoover Platinum Windtunnel Bagless.

4. Some of the Electrolux bagless canisters.

One thing I've got to have on a canister is a long hose. I just realized the other day that the hand tools to my Miele Capricorn are immaculate. I suppose I never use them because the hose is so short! Any thoughts or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

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Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: I'm done with bags and I need some advice on bagless models.
Reply #2   Aug 12, 2011 5:17 pm
Bagged or bagless, a teaspoon or two of baking soda or borax never hurts and save a lot of money over carbon filtering medium. If you opt for a bagless machine look for one with an easily washable dust containers and filters. You won't achieve smell-free cleaning sessions either without a little work or expense. Venson
Mister_Bojack


Joined: Jul 15, 2008
Points: 25

Re: I'm done with bags and I need some advice on bagless models.
Reply #3   Aug 12, 2011 7:29 pm
Venson wrote:
Bagged or bagless, a teaspoon or two of baking soda or borax never hurts and save a lot of money over carbon filtering medium. If you opt for a bagless machine look for one with an easily washable dust containers and filters. You won't achieve smell-free cleaning sessions either without a little work or expense. Venson



Thanks Venson. I'll try this. Which one do you think works best? Carbon really isn't doing it for me.

I'm not looking for smell-free. It's not realistic. My Dyson dc07 doesn't smeel anything like my Oreck Platinum or my Miele Capricorn. The bags start to reek after 2 weeks. I've gots 4 dogs and a cat, but it takes me more than 2 weeks to fill a bag.

Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: I'm done with bags and I need some advice on bagless models.
Reply #4   Aug 12, 2011 8:19 pm
Mister_Bojack wrote:
Thanks Venson. I'll try this. Which one do you think works best? Carbon really isn't doing it for me.

I'm not looking for smell-free. It's not realistic. My Dyson dc07 doesn't smeel anything like my Oreck Platinum or my Miele Capricorn. The bags start to reek after 2 weeks. I've gots 4 dogs and a cat, but it takes me more than 2 weeks to fill a bag.



Really, in my heart of hearts, I like borax better but find it hard to find. It was popular for the wash back in the 50s thanks to Rosemary DeCamp and 20 Mule Team but it is still out there now.

I'm down to zero four-legged animals in my keeping but find that a little bit of baking soda -- cheap, easy to find and you can cook with it, even brush your teeth if you want -- helps keep my Miele Capricorn's exhaust from getting the stinkies if I've nothing else around. You just suck up a little as needed and and you're good to go. Matter, of fact I find buying baking soda a lot more helpful than footing the $30 to $50 bill for Miele odor killing filters.

But . . . remember to use just enough of either substance to solve the problem and not create one.

Venson
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Lucky1


Joined: Jan 2, 2008
Points: 271

Re: I'm done with bags and I need some advice on bagless models.
Reply #5   Aug 15, 2011 2:44 pm
Mister_Bojack wrote:
Thanks Venson. I'll try this. Which one do you think works best? Carbon really isn't doing it for me.

I'm not looking for smell-free. It's not realistic. My Dyson dc07 doesn't smeel anything like my Oreck Platinum or my Miele Capricorn. The bags start to reek after 2 weeks. I've gots 4 dogs and a cat, but it takes me more than 2 weeks to fill a bag.



I'm getting a mixed message here???? Your asking about a bagless vacuum because you've "had it with bags"...then you say you already HAVE a Dyson which I assume you know is a bagless vacuum. What are you really saying?
mark40511


Joined: Oct 4, 2007
Points: 37

Re: I'm done with bags and I need some advice on bagless models.
Reply #6   Aug 16, 2011 1:03 am
Is is safe to suck up baking soda into a vacuum? (Even if it's a small amount?)

I just bought an Electrolux Renny on Ebay and it's take some time getting used to, but I'm starting to love it. I  that hoping to find something as easy to use as the Kenmore canisters but that's better built.

The thing I notice is that the bags for these are SOOOOO Cheap! I mean you can get a CASE of 100 for less than 50 dollars. They seem to work really well too. I haven't noticed any fine dust in the tank of the vacuum. You could change the bag every time you finish vacuuming almost (but I don't)

I suck up some eucalyptus essential oil on a cotton ball and that works good.
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hooverman


Joined: Jan 10, 2010
Points: 251

Re: I'm done with bags and I need some advice on bagless models.
Reply #7   Aug 19, 2011 7:13 pm
mark40511 wrote:
Is is safe to suck up baking soda into a vacuum? (Even if it's a small amount?)

I just bought an Electrolux Renny on Ebay and it's take some time getting used to, but I'm starting to love it. I  that hoping to find something as easy to use as the Kenmore canisters but that's better built.

The thing I notice is that the bags for these are SOOOOO Cheap! I mean you can get a CASE of 100 for less than 50 dollars. They seem to work really well too. I haven't noticed any fine dust in the tank of the vacuum. You could change the bag every time you finish vacuuming almost (but I don't)

I suck up some eucalyptus essential oil on a cotton ball and that works good.


As long if U have good pre-motor filtration (micron/HEPA filtration bag) its OK.  But if its single or 2-ply bag, baking soda will leak thru.
vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
Points: 1162

Re: I'm done with bags and I need some advice on bagless models.
Reply #8   Aug 21, 2011 7:52 am
hooverman wrote:
As long if U have good pre-motor filtration (micron/HEPA filtration bag) its OK.  But if its single or 2-ply bag, baking soda will leak thru.

Not quite. Not all vacuums are the same in this regard - if paper dust bags have an open seal with rubberised corners on the perimeter of the hole, this works well to keep any powder in, like Shake N Vac or soda powder, and of course, the design of the vacuum in question, if the dust channel is made to keep dust in rather than leaking. Ive used single bags and 2 ply and find that the better quality Genuine bags on a lot of uprights and canisters seal the powder in without it leaking. In any regard though, baking powder isn't flammable so it is never going to ignite the motor if it ever comes into contact with it.
Just


Joined: Nov 28, 2007
Points: 172

Re: I'm done with bags and I need some advice on bagless models.
Reply #9   Aug 22, 2011 2:47 pm
I have never used Baking powder in a vacuum or on the carpet, but have used Baking Soda.

Baking soda is not flamable, but it is corrosive.  So if it gets into the motor parts it can corrode bearings, brushes etc.

vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
Points: 1162

Re: I'm done with bags and I need some advice on bagless models.
Reply #10   Aug 23, 2011 1:31 pm
Just wrote:
I have never used Baking powder in a vacuum or on the carpet, but have used Baking Soda.

Baking soda is not flamable, but it is corrosive.  So if it gets into the motor parts it can corrode bearings, brushes etc.


Baking powder and baking soda powder are one in the same. The only time it will corrode bearings is if there's any moisture present since baking powder is a salt.

There have been other ways I've experimented instead of using baking powder - crushed up BBQ brickets of pure charcoal act in the same way as Miele's Active Air Clean or HEPA filter. So, even if you add baking powder to a vacuum's dust bag alone in the hope that smells will be minimised, it can help a fair bit - adding charcoal however gives a stronger defence.
This message was modified Aug 23, 2011 by vacmanuk
Mister_Bojack


Joined: Jul 15, 2008
Points: 25

Re: I'm done with bags and I need some advice on bagless models.
Reply #11   Aug 26, 2011 5:46 pm
Lucky1 wrote:
I'm getting a mixed message here???? Your asking about a bagless vacuum because you've "had it with bags"...then you say you already HAVE a Dyson which I assume you know is a bagless vacuum. What are you really saying?

What am I really saying? Nothing at all. I've submitted a question to the forum and I'm getting good responses, well except for one.

If you read my message <carefully> , you'd see that I was inquiring about bagless canisters. The Dyson dc07 is an upright.

Ok, moving forward.

I tried borax in a new bag last week. so far so good. The mechanics of carbon for odor control was explained to me by a good friend of mine who's background is in organic chemistry. According to him, the reason why carbon baking soda and borax have limited effectiveness is because they neutralize the odors by reacting to the offending odor molecules. Upon this reaction with the odor molecules, the carbon molecules become neutralized as well. I do know that ozone molecules also work in this manner in those electronic ozone machine/air purifiers. Maybe someday we'll have a vacuum cleaner with an ozone generator built in.

This message was modified Aug 27, 2011 by Mister_Bojack
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