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Hertz


Joined: Jan 31, 2010
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Why Dyson is different.
Original Message   Jul 10, 2010 4:06 am
A really cool insight to the workings behind the company and how they develop what I believe to be some the most well designed vacuums with overall good-great build quality in history.
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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #103   Nov 24, 2010 3:11 pm
vacmanuk wrote:
I know! The U.S version is substantially cheaper. Ive thought about it, but would probably need a transformer to get around the charging issue. It is a nonsense really that Vax think they can charge that kind of money.

To answer your last question, the "median" prices of the Hoover and Panasonic products have increased to meet price comparing with Dyson products. Most people who go to Big Box high street places in the UK like Comet, Currys, John Lewis or Euronics can sample the models themselves and will usually find by moving the different parts, the difference in quality and feel with some products. At smaller franchises like House of Frasers stores (and their associated sub-names in England) you can try a few models in the shop as well as at John Lewis. That means buyers can feel and test the products for themselves.



I opine that the euro may keep vacuum prices artificially high in the UK and Europe than in the USA.  Since a number of countries use the euro currency across boundaries and borders as their standard of currency.

Carmine D.

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retardturtle1


Joined: May 16, 2009
Points: 358

Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #104   Nov 24, 2010 5:08 pm
Venson wrote:
At least people there are getting the opportunity to try them out. Considering what the Hoover rechargeable stick is, it would be great to test them before buying. However, I wonder if all that many stores here want them tested because of the price. Certainly not an encouragement to buy.

The same as with some other machines, I think buyers making assumptions by way of price may be a little surprised once they're home with the thing out of the box and in use.

I may have mentioned a department supervisor at a major chain store saying that she had been instructed to remove all demo rugs. I learned since I'd last spoke to her that she'd been chewed for trying to quietly bring the demo rugs back into her department to make the customers happy. However, since our big boxers" are allowed to get away with it, the idea has crept over the line to major stores now. Everybody wants to get into the act by acclimatizing customers to buying on blind faith and returning the item if they don't like it. Or is there some sort of statistic regarding this "pay and walk away" scheme that proves once we get it home, like or not, we'll learn to live with it?

Venson

Hi Venson

Sad but true.....should be a demo vac for every  vac that is on the shelf.....ready for a test run....demo rugs ect.. but it seems to be a thing of the past. Thats why an indie is the best place to shop/research and demo a vac....from those who really care and know what works and what doesnt....something a major chain cant/wont offer.

just my view

turtle

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #105   Nov 25, 2010 7:39 am
retardturtle1 wrote:
Hi Venson

Sad but true.....should be a demo vac for every  vac that is on the shelf.....ready for a test run....demo rugs ect.. but it seems to be a thing of the past. Thats why an indie is the best place to shop/research and demo a vac....from those who really care and know what works and what doesnt....something a major chain cant/wont offer.

just my view

turtle



Buying a cat in the bag has been a mainstay of the big box retailers, nothing new.  Indies had and have the advantage to provide buyers/shoppers with their expertise. 

Carmine D.

Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #106   Nov 25, 2010 2:12 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Buying a cat in the bag has been a mainstay of the big box retailers, nothing new.  Indies had and have the advantage to provide buyers/shoppers with their expertise. 

Carmine D.



That's true but what's their present market share these days? And can they better promote themselves?

Venson
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #107   Nov 26, 2010 7:43 am
Venson wrote:
That's true but what's their present market share these days? And can they better promote themselves?

Venson


Hard to say Venson.  Safe to say as returns and refunds have dipped into the profit margins of big box retailers, these retailers have preferred to carry and sell less expensive vacuums.  You've seen this trend over the last few years as the recession has taken its toll on buyers and sellers.  Buying a $200 cat in the bag if returned isn't as costly as a $600.

Carmine D.

vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
Points: 1162

Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #108   Mar 9, 2011 3:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ymzkbCMgg

"The Assumption Against Reality."

There's also one with a Riccar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1aCcavRlds
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #109   Mar 9, 2011 7:23 pm
vacmanuk wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ymzkbCMgg

"The Assumption Against Reality."

There's also one with a Riccar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1aCcavRlds



Seeing is believing.  A very poignant reason for not putting headlights on dyson vacuums. 

Carmine D.

vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
Points: 1162

Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #110   Mar 10, 2011 3:13 am
CarmineD wrote:
Seeing is believing.  A very poignant reason for not putting headlights on dyson vacuums. 

Carmine D.


Well, maybe I'm being openminded at long last but if ever there was proof DYSON DOESN'T DEEP CLEAN, this is the proof! Although on another matter the video about "dont let moisture into your vacuum" showing the Miele S& completely clogged up doesn't convince me that the internals are as well protected as SEBO. For a start all their mechanisms are far better made than the S7's floor plate.
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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #111   Mar 10, 2011 7:11 am
vacmanuk wrote:
Well, maybe I'm being openminded at long last but if ever there was proof DYSON DOESN'T DEEP CLEAN, this is the proof! Although on another matter the video about "dont let moisture into your vacuum" showing the Miele S& completely clogged up doesn't convince me that the internals are as well protected as SEBO. For a start all their mechanisms are far better made than the S7's floor plate.



Hi Vacmanuk:  ORECK, accused by dyson fans [and its workers], of being a surface cleaners uses the same demo as these in its Clean Home Centers to make the point to customers that ORECKS pick up much more embedded dirt than dysons ever could.   Plus takes less back and forth passes.  Plus... ORECK's get lint that fuses to rug surfaces better than dysons, because of dyson whimpy brush rolls.  Seeing is believing.  ORECK sells many uprights to current dyson owners with these match up demoes.

Carmine D. 

vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
Points: 1162

Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #112   Mar 10, 2011 1:20 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hi Vacmanuk:  ORECK, accused by dyson fans [and its workers], of being a surface cleaners uses the same demo as these in its Clean Home Centers to make the point to customers that ORECKS pick up much more embedded dirt than dysons ever could.   Plus takes less back and forth passes.  Plus... ORECK's get lint that fuses to rug surfaces better than dysons, because of dyson whimpy brush rolls.  Seeing is believing.  ORECK sells many uprights to current dyson owners with these match up demoes.

Carmine D. 


Seeing may well be believing but Im very impressed with the Riccar. Pity we don't have them in the UK.
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