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Hertz


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Why Dyson is different.
Original Message   Jul 10, 2010 4:06 am
A really cool insight to the workings behind the company and how they develop what I believe to be some the most well designed vacuums with overall good-great build quality in history.
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Hertz


Joined: Jan 31, 2010
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Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #51   Jul 21, 2010 1:32 am
CarmineD wrote:
I laughed out loud when I read this.  You argue the obvious.  You extol dysons for lasting 7 years and berate cheaper brands for lasting 4.  But of course we expect vacuums priced like dysons in the range of $400-$600 to last 7-10 years plus with normal use and routine expected maintenance.  It's a given when plunking down that much money.  Why is it such a big deal for you about dysons.  From my perspective, and probably others, the earliest model dysons are still only 8 years old at the most in the USA [the brand was launched April 2002 with DC07].  The jury is still out on dyson's longevity and durability at least in the USA.  There are some more years to go before a reasoned intelligent decision based on supportable evidence regarding dyson's quality and longevity.  I find it ludicrous to base any credibility on the opinions you formulated over a few days about a dozen dysons bought off the junk heap.  Along with one dyson you bought for $30 and repaired by vacuuming, wiping down and spraying with silicon lubricant.  If I'm paying $400-$600 for a vacuum, I need more reason than that.  But thanks for the laughs.  They were priceless.

Carmine D.



Again I pity those who fail to realize fact due to unsightly bias; I've shown you the evidence that they're quality, sealed machines based off of Miele's OWN tests. The plastic IS much higher grade; anybody with a sense of intelligence about plastics and quality could EASILY tell that, and the performance is that of a Miele, if not better (suction and airflow) - at least VERY close to. EVERY SINGLE PART is user-replaceable, and the plastic is recyclable, as well (from what I've gathered from the DysonFoundation website) - not all plastics are. They are quality machines. Not the best, but well built overall - of course they're no Kirby - but if taken care of decently and maintained, they are durable, relatively long lasting machines with INCREDIBLE design and great filtration. Period.
Hertz


Joined: Jan 31, 2010
Points: 199

Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #52   Jul 21, 2010 2:08 am
Again, why Dyson is DIFFERENT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-RK7Pc4aBg&feature=related Try doing that with nearly ANY - or even ANY - current China-made Target special or "any other bagless machine" coming out of China and I would bet a good deal on it breaking compared to the Dyson. If anything this proves my point Carmine - amongst the filtration test I showed you from Miele - that Dyson is a well made, durable machine that is *FAR* from "every other cheap bagless machine" - which is pure FALSITY. Obviously.
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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #53   Jul 21, 2010 7:04 am
Hertz wrote:
Again, why Dyson is DIFFERENT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-RK7Pc4aBg&feature=related Try doing that with nearly ANY - or even ANY - current China-made Target special or "any other bagless machine" coming out of China and I would bet a good deal on it breaking compared to the Dyson. If anything this proves my point Carmine - amongst the filtration test I showed you from Miele - that Dyson is a well made, durable machine that is *FAR* from "every other cheap bagless machine" - which is pure FALSITY. Obviously.



No, quite the opposite.  It proves mine.  This is exactly what people expect when they plunk down $400-$600 US for a vacuum.  7-10 years plus of service with normal use and routine expected maintenance.  Nothing special if the vacuum delivers what's expected.

WRT dyson filtration, it's all for nought as soon as you remove the dirt bin and dump.  Ask any doctor who specializes in patients with eye, ear, nose and throat diseases.  They'll tell you to stay clear of bagless vacuums even dysons.  Bagless vacuums are triggers for the breathing disorders.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #54   Jul 21, 2010 7:17 am
Hertz wrote:
Again I pity those who fail to realize fact due to unsightly bias; I've shown you the evidence that they're quality, sealed machines based off of Miele's OWN tests. The plastic IS much higher grade; anybody with a sense of intelligence about plastics and quality could EASILY tell that, and the performance is that of a Miele, if not better (suction and airflow) - at least VERY close to. EVERY SINGLE PART is user-replaceable, and the plastic is recyclable, as well (from what I've gathered from the DysonFoundation website) - not all plastics are. They are quality machines. Not the best, but well built overall - of course they're no Kirby - but if taken care of decently and maintained, they are durable, relatively long lasting machines with INCREDIBLE design and great filtration. Period.



Now...who's being biased?  Dysons should deliver exactly what people expect when they plunk down $400-$600 on a vacuum.  7-10 years plus of service with notrmal use and routine maintenance.  That's a given.  Nothing special if it does except in your way of thinking. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #55   Jul 21, 2010 1:58 pm
Venson wrote:
Lousy vacuum cleaner or good vacuum cleaner, it looks like Jimmy D's doing alright.

http://www.yachtingworld.com/supersail/news/491898/nahlin-visits-the-river-dart

Venson



Hi Venson;

In the likely/unlikely event that Sir James moves production of dysons from Malaysia currently to say........... Pakistan, this yacht would be the ideal mode of transportion to do so.  For workers who want to go and the whole kit and kabudle of dyson production.  Accomodates 358 plus a crew of 50. 

Carmine D.

Hertz


Joined: Jan 31, 2010
Points: 199

Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #56   Jul 21, 2010 10:38 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Now...who's being biased?  Dysons should deliver exactly what people expect when they plunk down $400-$600 on a vacuum.  7-10 years plus of service with notrmal use and routine maintenance.  That's a given.  Nothing special if it does except in your way of thinking. 

Carmine D.



Thanks for proving my point and disproving yours. You have said time and again "Dysons are just like any other cheap bagless machine" - which break down easily, have *TERRIBLE* filtration, and clean like poo-poo except for the multi-cyclonic COPYCATS. So yeah, Dysons are WORTH THE MONEY, when you say they're OVERpriced. Not. You are now starting to make sense, haha.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #57   Jul 22, 2010 6:40 am
Hertz wrote:
Thanks for proving my point and disproving yours. You have said time and again "Dysons are just like any other cheap bagless machine" - which break down easily, have *TERRIBLE* filtration, and clean like poo-poo except for the multi-cyclonic COPYCATS. So yeah, Dysons are WORTH THE MONEY, when you say they're OVERpriced. Not. You are now starting to make sense, haha.


You have not paid full price for your dysons and not purchased any new.  Just bought yours off the junk heap at junk prices.  To make a statement that they are worth the money means that they are worth their prices purchased when new.  You never bought any new dysons, did you?  I have bought both new/used dysons and received several free for extended times to use.  If you sincerely felt dysons are not overpriced and worth the do re me, you'd buy one/more new at the new prices and then make such a statement.  You didn't.  You don't believe based on your actions that dysons are worth the money, except junk prices.  As the saying goes..........put your money where your mouth is.

Carmine D.
 

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Hertz


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Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #58   Jul 22, 2010 7:54 am
CarmineD wrote:
You have not paid full price for your dysons and not purchased any new.  Just bought yours off the junk heap at junk prices.  To make a statement that they are worth the money means that they are worth their prices purchased when new.  You never bought any new dysons, did you?  I have bought both new/used dysons and received several free for extended times to use.  If you sincerely felt dysons are not overpriced and worth the do re me, you'd buy one/more new at the new prices and then make such a statement.  You didn't.  You don't believe based on your actions that dysons are worth the money, except junk prices.  As the saying goes..........put your money where your mouth is.

Carmine D.
 



Again you seam to say complete NONSENSE and sometimes near BS just to make you happy; I bought them at "junk" prices (just like there are Miele's and Electrolux's available for "junk prices everywhere buddy, open your eyes) to make a PROFIT; they are COMPLETELY worth the money new, however I could not only make one to like-new condition, but I could also make a profit; given that was the smarter choice, I did so. You say we live in economically tough times; if I found an HIGH quality machine for CHEAPER, why would I spend more? They are still worth every dime and sometimes then some new, but because I have the skills to rebuild them, I might as well buy them at lower prices, and do the work myself. Anybody with any sense of intellect and appreciation for working on quality engineering would have done the same. Stop being so clouded by your humorous vendetta against Dysons and the genius himself.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #59   Jul 22, 2010 8:36 am
Hertz wrote:
Again you seam to say complete NONSENSE and sometimes near BS just to make you happy; I bought them at "junk" prices (just like there are Miele's and Electrolux's available for "junk prices everywhere buddy, open your eyes) to make a PROFIT; they are COMPLETELY worth the money new, however I could not only make one to like-new condition, but I could also make a profit; given that was the smarter choice, I did so. You say we live in economically tough times; if I found an HIGH quality machine for CHEAPER, why would I spend more? They are still worth every dime and sometimes then some new, but because I have the skills to rebuild them, I might as well buy them at lower prices, and do the work myself. Anybody with any sense of intellect and appreciation for working on quality engineering would have done the same. Stop being so clouded by your humorous vendetta against Dysons and the genius himself.


My eyes and sense tell me you can't find/buy a dozen MIELE/SEBO vacuums on the junk heap for junk prices.  Just dysons. That makes dyson different.  Maybe you can find a few junk Eureka-Electrolux's.  Not a dozen in one buy let alone multiple buys.  Again, dyson is different.  Not better.  Different.

Words are cheap.  With words you can do anything.  Actions speak louder than words.  12 junk dysons at junk prices to rebuild and resell may be worth it if you have nothing better to do.  If you are looking to capitalize on the dyson fad and are disingenous, you'd buy junk dysons to sell at high prices.  You'd hype and hawk the merits of the brand too just like you are doing.  I'm not.  I won't.  I'm different from you.  Better?  I'll let others judge. 

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: Why Dyson is different.
Reply #60   Jul 22, 2010 5:50 pm
Hertz wrote:
Again you seam to say complete NONSENSE and sometimes near BS just to make you happy; I bought them at "junk" prices (just like there are Miele's and Electrolux's available for "junk prices everywhere buddy, open your eyes) to make a PROFIT; they are COMPLETELY worth the money new, however I could not only make one to like-new condition, but I could also make a profit; given that was the smarter choice, I did so. You say we live in economically tough times; if I found an HIGH quality machine for CHEAPER, why would I spend more? They are still worth every dime and sometimes then some new, but because I have the skills to rebuild them, I might as well buy them at lower prices, and do the work myself. Anybody with any sense of intellect and appreciation for working on quality engineering would have done the same. Stop being so clouded by your humorous vendetta against Dysons and the genius himself.


Silly, funny and incorrect.  Having purchased and registered my new dyson DC07 in September 2006, I am on the dyson email list and receive messages about new products and launches.  Having experienced problems with the floating dyson head and clutch on my rugs, and working unsuccessfully with the dyson call center to find a work around, I emailed dyson with my concerns.  At the time I forwarded the email along with the picture of my new dyson to a poster here who sold new dysons.  Dyson responded back to me within 24 hours that it would consider my comments which it appreciated receiving and forward to its engineer department for future product consideration.  Exact words.  I emailed that response to the poster here who sold dysons.  I have no doubt that Sir James after going on record many times saying manual rug adjustments are not necessary changed course in part to emails like mine and others received over time from users unhappy with the clutches and floating heads ojn their carpets.  In June 2009, dyson launched its DC28 with rug manual settings rather than self adjusting floating head. 

Carmine D

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