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Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Sir James Dyson plan to fill UK's engineering vacuum
Original Message   Mar 10, 2010 11:04 am
James Dyson has voiced his feelings in regard to what it will take to save Britain's manufacturing industry in a report commissioned by the country's Conservative Party.  An interesting read and plenty of UK reader comments follow.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/recession/7400742/Sir-James-Dyson-plan-to-fill-UKs-engineering-vacuum.html

M00seUK and vacmanuk, I'll be glad to learn what you think.

Venson

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retardturtle1


Joined: May 16, 2009
Points: 358

Re: Sir James Dyson plan to fill UK's engineering vacuum
Reply #62   May 6, 2010 3:34 pm
CarmineD wrote:
HI Venson:

As a person like you Venson who lived through the eras of small desk fans made by GE and Westinghouse to larger room/window fans made by the same brands and others like Hunter and Vornado then to window and room air conditioners to central air, I believe A/C units are by far better hands down than fans.  As I said to SEVERUS, here in LV we use central air set at 78-80 during the really hot heat days of summer with fans for ameliorating the AC.  We have 52 inch ceiling fans [hunter] in all the living and bed rooms and back yard porch.  With oscillating room tower fans [that can be programmed at various speeds for different time intervals] in two rooms to assist where heat tends to build in our home.  The ceiling fans and tower fans are considerably less than $300 each as my memory recalls.  More like $70-$150 for decent brands and decent performance.  My point is simple and the same as with all dyson products.  The dyson products [regardless of the products] are so uncompetitive with the current status quo in performance and prices that most mainstream US buyers will have absolutely no reason to purchase.  Yes, for those who have more money than sense and have to be the first to have the newest, the dyson brand appeals.  But once that NICHE market is met and usually quickly, dyson products struggle to sell side by side with the competition, especially in the current bad economic times.  Hence the past dyson trend to constantly intro new vacuums year after year and non-vacuum products.  Niche market requires constantly new products to sell and fund the ongoing operations.  Works for awhile but not forever.  Especially in bad times.

Carmine D.

Hi Carmine

What ever happened to the good ol trusty attic fan...a true blessing here in the south. i would think that with those cool desert nights that an attic fan would shine and keep things nice and cool. We run ours with cieling fans at night ..early summer spring and fall....a/c on those warmer humid days.....but the thought of a home with no a/c....in this day and time is pretty unheard of....but a table fan by dyson at that price...is better suited for a sharper image store/catlg....if still around.

turtle

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sir James Dyson plan to fill UK's engineering vacuum
Reply #63   May 6, 2010 5:01 pm
retardturtle1 wrote:
Hi Carmine

What ever happened to the good ol trusty attic fan...a true blessing here in the south. i would think that with those cool desert nights that an attic fan would shine and keep things nice and cool. We run ours with cieling fans at night ..early summer spring and fall....a/c on those warmer humid days.....but the thought of a home with no a/c....in this day and time is pretty unheard of....but a table fan by dyson at that price...is better suited for a sharper image store/catlg....if still around.

turtle


Hello turtle1:

Not here in LV.  Why?  Roofs here are slate due to the extreme heat and the attics still get extremely hot.  Homes are mostly stucco.  Attics are unbearable hot.  Retrofitting attic fans is too costly and labor intensive for slate roofs and stucco walls.  Sometimes seen are roof fans for garages only because these areas are not typically air conditioned.  Even with them the temperature differences with and without the fans is almost negligible in summer months.

Carmine D. 

retardturtle1


Joined: May 16, 2009
Points: 358

Re: Sir James Dyson plan to fill UK's engineering vacuum
Reply #64   May 6, 2010 5:39 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello turtle1:

Not here in LV.  Why?  Roofs here are slate due to the extreme heat and the attics still get extremely hot.  Homes are mostly stucco.  Attics are unbearable hot.  Retrofitting attic fans is too costly and labor intensive for slate roofs and stucco walls.  Sometimes seen are roof fans for garages only because these areas are not typically air conditioned.  Even with them the temperature differences with and without the fans is almost negligible in summer months.

Carmine D. 


Hi Carmine

Imeant more along the lines of a whole house fan...pulls in outside air from windows..thru the atiic fan in your cieling thru the attic and out your soffit vents/roof vents..cools house and also cools your attic space....unless you have vaulted cielings..or no attic at all. ..or i could just be really off on this one...not familiar with houses are built out your way.

turtle

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sir James Dyson plan to fill UK's engineering vacuum
Reply #65   May 6, 2010 5:50 pm
retardturtle1 wrote:
Hi Carmine

Imeant more along the lines of a whole house fan...pulls in outside air from windows..thru the atiic fan in your cieling thru the attic and out your soffit vents/roof vents..cools house and also cools your attic space....unless you have vaulted cielings..or no attic at all. ..or i could just be really off on this one...not familiar with houses are built out your way.

turtle



In my 3 plus years here in Vegas, I've not seen any new homes' construction with whole house attic fans installed, even customized homes.   Nor older homes with these whole house fans.  Central air is the norm with room ceiling fans and portable room fans/AC units. 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Sir James Dyson plan to fill UK's engineering vacuum
Reply #66   May 6, 2010 7:38 pm
CarmineD wrote:
High hopes.  Let's see dyson deliver before they get the kudos.  Still waiting now over 3 years for the water free washer that dyson patented almost 3 years ago and hyped here by some UKUSA dyson fans [no pun intended].

Carmine D. 



They are still awaiting the discovery or dehydrated water.  Simply add water to the bottle of dehydrated water and fill the washer.

I went to BB today to pass time.  I paid a little more attention to the fan.  I like the concept, the smoothness and quietness.  I do not like the price.  Even if I needed a fan.

retardturtle1


Joined: May 16, 2009
Points: 358

Re: Sir James Dyson plan to fill UK's engineering vacuum
Reply #67   May 7, 2010 4:31 pm
CarmineD wrote:
In my 3 plus years here in Vegas, I've not seen any new homes' construction with whole house attic fans installed, even customized homes.   Nor older homes with these whole house fans.  Central air is the norm with room ceiling fans and portable room fans/AC units. 

Carmine D.


Hi Carmine

Never seen attic fans until i moved to the south..where its really humid. But i still have my $30 high vlcty aloha breeze 20in fan from wally thats not too loud and works wonders in a stuffy house ....shop. a true blessing when the a/c goes out on a humid day in concert with cieling and attic fan....dont know how you guys lived without no a/c back in the day......

turtle

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sir James Dyson plan to fill UK's engineering vacuum
Reply #68   May 7, 2010 5:32 pm
retardturtle1 wrote:
Hi Carmine

Never seen attic fans until i moved to the south..where its really humid. But i still have my $30 high vlcty aloha breeze 20in fan from wally thats not too loud and works wonders in a stuffy house ....shop. a true blessing when the a/c goes out on a humid day in concert with cieling and attic fan....dont know how you guys lived without no a/c back in the day......

turtle



You don't miss it until you've had it.  Humidity is not a problem here in the desert.  Tops 10 percent humidity with 120 degree temps in July.  Winds and sand are huge problems even on very hot days.  2 reasons also for not opening windows and/o using fans that are exposed and/or subject to these outside elements.

Carmine D.

Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Sir James Dyson plan to fill UK's engineering vacuum
Reply #69   May 7, 2010 5:38 pm
retardturtle1 wrote:
Hi Carmine

Never seen attic fans until i moved to the south..where its really humid. But i still have my $30 high vlcty aloha breeze 20in fan from wally thats not too loud and works wonders in a stuffy house ....shop. a true blessing when the a/c goes out on a humid day in concert with cieling and attic fan....dont know how you guys lived without no a/c back in the day......

turtle



Well . . . people opened windows and doors.  That's what screens are for.  (Grandpa always said, there's more than one way to skin a cat.) AND if the house was well designed air would start moving.  The whole-house/attic  fan helps the idea along. 

Unfortunately a lot of what was done in past may only be good for some -- especially in places where everybody's piece of the pie is stacked on top of someone else's.

Venson

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sir James Dyson plan to fill UK's engineering vacuum
Reply #70   May 7, 2010 6:27 pm
Looks like Sir James' conservative candidate Cameron didn't make the cut with only 309 votes.  Neither did Brown or Clegg.  Bad scitchiation.  Especially with Greece and the euro.  Our strongest and best ally is having a very bad day.  Any predictions on when the next election will be held?  I'm betting before Nov 2010.  Have to see what the Vegas line says.

BTW anyone who thinks finger fumble caused the 998 NYSE DOW decline in 6 minutes yesterday must be a bagless vacuum buyer with the mantra the higher the price the better the product!

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Sir James Dyson plan to fill UK's engineering vacuum
Reply #71   May 7, 2010 7:45 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Looks like Sir James' conservative candidate Cameron didn't make the cut with only 309 votes.  Neither did Brown or Clegg.  Bad scitchiation.  Especially with Greece and the euro.  Our strongest and best ally is having a very bad day.  Any predictions on when the next election will be held?  I'm betting before Nov 2010.  Have to see what the Vegas line says.

BTW anyone who thinks finger fumble caused the 998 NYSE DOW decline in 6 minutes yesterday must be a bagless vacuum buyer with the mantra the higher the price the better the product!

Carmine D.



Oreck would be a good product rather than just an expensive broom if higher price was part of the criteria. 
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