Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Looking back over the past year, one thing conspicuously absent from this forum is a rabid Rainbow enthusiast.  Perhaps it is difficult to justify the outrageous price of these door to door wonders.   To some extent, a Rainbow owner has to believe in the Rainbow sales pitch and doesn't want to be confronted with any negative information about the Rainbow.    I also noticed that overstock.com is no longer selling the refurbished Rainbow SE's with the Wesselwerks small power nozzles.    Given the economy, it's got to be tough selling $2000+ vacuums - even if they can purify one's home. 

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib-ster:

Thank you for the compliment.  When a dyson shill calls me an idiot it's all the prove needed that there are no facts to contradict the claim: Dyson's pitch is superior to his products.  

Carmine D.

Severus wrote:

Hello SEVERUS:

Interestingly, Sir James does not improve on these shortcomings like the gawdawful clutch.  He discontinues the models outright starts all over from scratch.  I would think an inventor extraordinaire could get it right incrementally over time and practice.  Not have to start all over from scratch. 

Carmine D.   

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

So what would you like to see Dyson offer if you were king for a day?

Severus wrote:

Hello SEVERUS:

You'll appreciate my answer because you gave me the inspiration.  A DC07 All Carpets with a better brush roll than the original version.  Recall that Wal*Mart sold this DC07 model in 2004/5, w/o a clutch, for $319 as an exclusive.  Sir James and dyson, if this model were still around today [rather than discontinued after the advertising/contract falling out with W*M], easily would sell for $150-$199.  Dyson would be competitive in that price range, easily make a profit for itself and its retailers.  In other words, Sir James would clean up at the big box store venues in the current economy. 

Sir James missed the market on robots.  Shame on him.  Especially with 500 engineers on staff.  Didn't even try.  For all intents and purposes, dyson is too late.  Household robotics are dominated by iRobot's Roomba which has a lock on the market since entering in the fall of 2002.  It's pushed out all the existing competitors easily. 

Dyson is non-existent and/or way behind in commercial uprights/canns.  By now he should have been in the market.  Same is true with CVS.  Same with sticks.  His handhelds are priced way too high for the performance and run times. 

Finally, the long awaited and talked about dealer only models.  What ever happened to them?  All show and no go.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

HI CARMINE

I had a dc7...was a gift......i then gifted away. So of all the b-rolls on the market...who would you say had the best one/two  to work on your all carpets dyson.

turtle1

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

I wouldn't be too quick to count Dyson out on the robotic vacuums.   Certainly they won't compete at the low price point.  However, with followers like Dustmite, they could possibly compete at a higher price level.  I'm no expert,  but Dyson seems to be making progress in making tiny but very powerful motors that don't consume a lot of energy.   With the right motors, they could make a robotic vacuum that could actually clean like a full size vacuum.   It might also allow them to make an upright with a low front profile to get under furniture. 

 I consider the long flimsy cleaning hose to be a negative for those of us who have one level homes.    I'd prefer a sturdier hose that stores off the machine with a short Sebo like hose on the machine. 

I agree that a commercial type upright would be a plus - provided it's upgraded to be sturdier and have overload protection, lower profile for cleaning under furniture. 

Severus wrote:

Hi Severus,

Roomba has had a corner on the robotic vacuum here or some time.  It would definitely take a highly efficient deep cleaning robotic vac to beat Roomba out.  Remarkably, Roomba customers have not fussed much about thorougness as long as surface dirt is removed.

Dyson has been doing PR for its DC06 for quite a long time but I have yet to see it on the American market.  It is designed with cyclonics but I don't think that as part of the sales spiel necessarily is impressive to anyone buying a vacuum cleaner that requires a minimum of hands-on involvement. Roomba has gained no kudos for thoroughness or high filtration so far  but I don't think most buyers care as long as it does a decent job of removing surface soil.

Popular Roomba's more similar in style competitors like LG's Roboking and European Electrolux's Trilobite also seem skittish about approaching the American market.

http://www.gizmag.com/go/1282/

Severus wrote:

Hi Severus,

Roomba has had a corner on the robotic vacuum here or some time.  It would definitely take a highly efficient deep cleaning robotic vac to beat Roomba out.  Remarkably, Roomba customers have not fussed much about thorougness as long as surface dirt is removed.

Dyson has been doing PR for its DC06 for quite a long time but I have yet to see it on the American market.  It is designed with cyclonics but I don't think that as part of the sales spiel necessarily is impressive to anyone buying a vacuum cleaner that requires a minimum of hands-on involvement. Roomba has gained no kudos for thoroughness or high filtration so far  but I don't think most buyers care as long as it does a decent job of removing surface soil.

Popular Roomba's more similar in style competitors like LG's Roboking and European Electrolux's Trilobite also seem skittish about approaching the American market.

http://www.gizmag.com/go/1282/

Venson wrote and Severus wrote:

Hello SEVERUS, VENSON:

The article in the link which is about dyson's robot DC06 is dated May 2, 2004.  Almost 6 years ago.  This is the final statement at the end of the article.

"The DC06 should be available in Australia at the end of the year, and is expected to cost around $6000." 

Dyson is still in the Australian market.  It's still possible it will be available but I suspect the price will go up.  As in all things that are dyson, the product pitch is always superior to the actual performance. 

Carmine D.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello turtle1:

HAPPY NEW YEAR! 

HOOVER WT/TEMPO and EUREKA uprights are the best on the market today for brush rolls.  But would require major mods to a dyson DC07 head nozzle.  A very distant second in brush rolls is ORECK.  For a DC07, w/o the clutch and minimal modifications to the nozzle head, the ORECK wooden brush roll and bristle tufts would be an ideal size, shape and weight. 

Carmine D.