"What has dyson invented now?" Original Message Oct 11, 2009 11:23 pm
I received this "teaser email today: http://links.mkt2388.com/ctt?kn=1&m=2735925&r=MTgwOTM1MTgzMTcS1&b=0&j=NzgxMTAyODMS1&mt=1&rt=0 Anyone know what's up with this??
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #161 Dec 4, 2009 1:17 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Prove it out - Name bigger names, name bigger worth.
DIB
CarmineD wrote:
DiB:
Interestingly, you post a recent article here saying your idol is a multi-millionaire. Then, proceed to call him a billionaire. When I call you on the glaring contradiction, you dispute the article's credibilty with your own opinion. Then, ask me to prove that the article, which you posted here, is true and your opinion is not. Typical of for your thinking and dyson mindset.
As I and others have told you many times when you play the Sir James wealth card, it is disingenous. Wealth/money, call it what you will, is not a measure of accomplishment in business. Success in business is a marathon not a sprint. What is more poignant to me [and others] is that Sir James' wealth is declining. Using your success measure [wealth/money] means dyson's success is declining.
Carmine D.
Cameron,
Playing the wealth card is a quick and efficient way to sort out who’s doin what.When Sir James is lied of, bad-mouthed, robbed, and copied - playing the wealth card has a certain satisfaction and illuminates the losers, has-beens, never-were’s, wantabe’s, lying manufacturers, their no inventive talent engineers, lazy marketing staff, etc.Did I leave anyone out….Oh yeah the angry at Dyson because I live in the UK and I can’t get a job and the always jealous.
He’s the richest vac inventor, owner-operator. Calling me out and saying it’s my opinion and not demonstrating others bigger or wealthier makes you more and more less credible and inept.Belly up Mr. 55 years of bad-as vac knowledge and history…prove your theory… prove my statements as being an opinion and not based in [available] facts.Start with…who’s richer.I can care less if he’s worth $700m or $2b.He destroys them all (all suits and owners) even at $700m.
DIB
This message was modified Dec 4, 2009 by DysonInventsBig
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #162 Dec 4, 2009 2:25 pm
Purveyors of drugs, booze, sex, real estate and all sorts of other baloney make lots of money every day too. Shall we top-rate them as well?
For consumers, it's never always about how many sold but product that does well at providing the results it's expected to.
The question of what's good will probably never be answered as, the same as with cars, consumers are prone to get caught up in hype as opposed to real understanding of basic function. By all means, do the "I couldn't believe the dirt it got up" test with the brand and model vacuum of your choice. Go back and keep doing it again with the same until you're astonished by how little it picks up. The "answer" as to what's the better buy lies in how few times are needed to repeat the process and reach an obvious state of clean.
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #163 Dec 4, 2009 2:39 pm
Trebor wrote:
DIB,
I did not realize the IONA lease/royalty was connected to the Amway.
Nonetheless, the early Fantoms were/are great vacuums. And I stand by my statement that a manual height adjustment on the Dyson would not have been a terrible thing, and it would have blessed the machine with a level of mechanical simplicity it lacks today. I visited another of my vac shop friends who recently moved his shop. ( I am loaning him my expertise in space planning) As I was leaving, I heard him say to a tech on the bench, "It's not a brush motor on that DC25. They don't go bad. You have to open up the dirt tube. There is a circuit board inside. It's in the wiring connection." DIB, surely I heard wrong. Why would anyone place any sort of electrical connection in the dirt path?
Trebor
Hey Trebor,
You should get the Dyson story straight by reading his autobiography vice listening to his competitors and/or their reps and/or forum mud-slingers.Sir James names companies, names suits, names dates, names numbers and not one has taken him to court over it.It’s based in fact.After reading it, then compare it to what is being said of him in bagged-vac shops and in forums.And for kicks go through the Patent offices and count up the earth-shattering patents filed by Dyson competitors and compare it to Dyson and see who’s revolutionized the tired industry and pumped up/brought excitement to the tired vacuum.
From memory… Mr. Dyson licensed his patents to Amway and they paid him an advance (typically against future royalties).Amway then wanted out of the agreement and wanted their advance money back.Dejected (after being turned down all over Europe and America) and broke/nearly broke he went to Canada, to a little nothing of a company called Iona.Struck a deal and all looked good, only Iona saw an Amway dual cyclone (called ClearTrak) in a Sears.Iona being the wonderful suits they are, wanted to renegotiate Dyson’s royalties to a lower amount and Mr. Dyson conceded (he had to, he was broke and needed money).Iona made Dyson sue or had him pay for the Dyson v. Amway lawsuit out of his Iona royalties.Amway settled and a licensing deal was struck and oddly Amway had Dyson patent rights and territories to sell in and Iona had Dyson patent rights and territories to sell in.When Venson and Cameron lie and say Sir James has a propensity to sue…it is not based in fact or fairness.
Check out the two differing Amway ClearTrak’s in the Amway cheats inventor page.One has a screen (shroud) and one does not.I believe the screenless vac is the infringing model.FYI – the first HEPA U.S. vac-related patent is seen in this Amway ClearTrak.Interestingly and typically, Amway wanted to freely rip off Mr. Dyson and simultaneously apply for design and utility patents…Deep pocketed scumbags!
Glad to hear your words of Fantom’s.I own the Fantom Fury and loved it/love it.My hose tore and the spines upright locking mechanism broke and I can care less!It has never clogged, ever!Coincidentally my mom as a teen used to babysit a girl who became a Walton Character and the actress/spokesperson in the Fantom Fury infomercials/how to use your Fantom Fury video(Mary McDonough).I bought my first Fury from the husband and wife vac dealer who were profiled in the infomercial.
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #165 Dec 4, 2009 3:37 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Cameron,
Playing the wealth card is a quick and efficient way to sort out who’s doin what.When Sir James is lied of, bad-mouthed, robbed, and copied - playing the wealth card has a certain satisfaction and illuminates the losers, has-beens, never-were’s, wantabe’s, lying manufacturers, their no inventive talent engineers, lazy marketing staff, etc.Did I leave anyone out….Oh yeah the angry at Dyson because I live in the UK and I can’t get a job and the always jealous.
He’s the richest vac inventor, owner-operator. Calling me out and saying it’s my opinion and not demonstrating others bigger or wealthier makes you more and more less credible and inept.Belly up Mr. 55 years of bad-as vac knowledge and history…prove your theory… prove my statements as being an opinion and not based in [available] facts.Start with…who’s richer.I can care less if he’s worth $700m or $2b.He destroys them all (all suits and owners) even at $700m.
DIB
dyson DiB:
You're not playing with a full deck. You're comparing apples to oranges. Dyson is a privately held and owned company, by Sir James and family. All his competition in the big box stores are publicly held corporations. Sir James keeps all the leftovers, after paying expenses. Corporations pay out dividends to the stockholders and stakeholders and the rest goes back into the Corporations' net worths.
Now if you dare, compare the net worth of any of these vacuum corporations, dyson's competitor brands in the big box stores, with the net worth of Sir James. Then tell us who/which is the largest of all. Hint: It's not your idol.
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #166 Dec 4, 2009 4:15 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Cameron,
Playing the wealth card is a quick and efficient way to sort out who’s doin what.When Sir James is lied of, bad-mouthed, robbed, and copied - playing the wealth card has a certain satisfaction and illuminates the losers, has-beens, never-were’s, wantabe’s, lying manufacturers, their no inventive talent engineers, lazy marketing staff, etc.Did I leave anyone out….Oh yeah the angry at Dyson because I live in the UK and I can’t get a job and the always jealous.
He’s the richest vac inventor, owner-operator. Calling me out and saying it’s my opinion and not demonstrating others bigger or wealthier makes you more and more less credible and inept.Belly up Mr. 55 years of bad-as vac knowledge and history…prove your theory… prove my statements as being an opinion and not based in [available] facts.Start with…who’s richer.I can care less if he’s worth $700m or $2b.He destroys them all (all suits and owners) even at $700m.
DIB
CarmineD wrote:
dyson DiB:
You're not playing with a full deck. You're comparing apples to oranges. Dyson is a privately held and owned company, by Sir James and family. All his competition in the big box stores are publicly held corporations. Sir James keeps all the leftovers, after paying expenses. Corporations pay out dividends to the stockholders and stakeholders and the rest goes back into the Corporations' net worths.
Now if you dare, compare the net worth of any of these vacuum corporations, dyson's competitor brands in the big box stores, with the net worth of Sir James. Then tell us who/which is the largest of all. Hint: It's not your idol.
Carmine D.
I covered my bases and you still managed to twist... so what else is new? Then tell me ‘O most dishonest one’, name a vac-suit that comes close to paying himself anything close to what Sir James makes. And if you choose to dodge the who's paid more than Mr. Dyson question, then tell me ‘I've got 55 years of mind-numbing vac knowledge’... who is the smartest and/or mightiest and/or greatest visionary of all the tired vacuum-suits?
Dyson Invents Big Patent fact and a matter of public record: Dyson carries the tired vacuum industry.
This message was modified Dec 4, 2009 by DysonInventsBig
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #167 Dec 4, 2009 4:22 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Hey Trebor,
You should get the Dyson story straight by reading his autobiography vice listening to his competitors and/or their reps and/or forum mud-slingers.Sir James names companies, names suits, names dates, names numbers and not one has taken him to court over it.It’s based in fact.After reading it, then compare it to what is being said of him in bagged-vac shops and in forums.And for kicks go through the Patent offices and count up the earth-shattering patents filed by Dyson competitors and compare it to Dyson and see who’s revolutionized the tired industry and pumped up/brought excitement to the tired vacuum.
From memory… Mr. Dyson licensed his patents to Amway and they paid him an advance (typically against future royalties).Amway then wanted out of the agreement and wanted their advance money back.Dejected (after being turned down all over Europe and America) and broke/nearly broke he went to Canada, to a little nothing of a company called Iona.Struck a deal and all looked good, only Iona saw an Amway dual cyclone (called ClearTrak) in a Sears.Iona being the wonderful suits they are, wanted to renegotiate Dyson’s royalties to a lower amount and Mr. Dyson conceded (he had to, he was broke and needed money).Iona made Dyson sue or had him pay for the Dyson v. Amway lawsuit out of his Iona royalties.Amway settled and a licensing deal was struck and oddly Amway had Dyson patent rights and territories to sell in and Iona had Dyson patent rights and territories to sell in.When Venson and Cameron lie and say Sir James has a propensity to sue…it is not based in fact or fairness.
Check out the two differing Amway ClearTrak’s in the Amway cheats inventor page.One has a screen (shroud) and one does not.I believe the screenless vac is the infringing model.FYI – the first HEPA U.S. vac-related patent is seen in this Amway ClearTrak.Interestingly and typically, Amway wanted to freely rip off Mr. Dyson and simultaneously apply for design and utility patents…Deep pocketed scumbags!
Glad to hear your words of Fantom’s.I own the Fantom Fury and loved it/love it.My hose tore and the spines upright locking mechanism broke and I can care less!It has never clogged, ever!Coincidentally my mom as a teen used to babysit a girl who became a Walton Character and the actress/spokesperson in the Fantom Fury infomercials/how to use your Fantom Fury video(Mary McDonough).I bought my first Fury from the husband and wife vac dealer who were profiled in the infomercial.
dyson DIB: WRT dyson's litigousness, the facts speak for themselves: Kenneth J and the ASA. Sir James is 1 and 1. He won against the poor engineering student who represented himself against the dyson's high powered, high paid NYC lawyers with 3 names and 3 piece suits. Kenneth James lost on a technicality. Dyson lost against Eureka-Lux with the ASA over the claim that an Intensity with a full dirty bag outcleaned by 50 percent a DC14 with an empty bin.
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #168 Dec 4, 2009 4:37 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
I covered my bases and you still managed to twist... so what else is new? Then tell me ‘O most dishonest one’, name a vac-suit that comes close to paying himself anything close to what Sir James makes. And if you choose to dodge the who's paid more than Mr. Dyson question, then tell me ‘I've got 55 years of mind-numbing vac knowledge’... who is the smartest and/or mightiest and/or greatest visionary of all the tired vacuum-suits?
Dyson Invents Big Patent fact and a matter of public record: Dyson carries the tired vacuum industry.
dyson DiB:
You forget that Sir James sets his own yearly compensation for himself and his family members who are employees. This pay compensation would never fly with publicly held corporations where a board of independent business directors with a majority vote of the stockholders have to approve the pay of CEO's.
Dare to compare net worth of dyson company to other company brands?
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #169 Dec 4, 2009 5:47 pm
Carmine and DIB,
Forget about Mole, you two need to be in time out.
As to the lawsuit against Amway, I knew about that, perfectly justified. I was unaware that it related to IONA. Against Hoover UK, I would say the same. When you get into peeing contests over advertising claims, it is always shaky ground, and the wind can blow either way, as James found out in the litigation over the "ballbarrow" name. Those sorts of things aside, there is the matter of the engineering student, who lost on a 'technicality'. I'd like to know about that one before passing judgment. If he really was wronged on a mere technicality, then it was one of Sir James less-than-stellar moments. But the law has to have lines of demarcation, and sometimes the spirit of the law is trampled by the letter, hopefully not too often. As to the matter of using patents which have expired, IT IS NOT STEALING! What theft are you referring to, DIB? The law is the law, and since patents are unlike copyrights which are renewable, they have time limits, and once the time is up, they are public domain. Think what you will, but it is what it is. But please stop accusing manufacturers of theft. If they were stealing, Sir James has proven he has what it takes to sue and to win. If you meant something else, please explain, DIB. But you really hurt your case for being considered rational when you insist on repeating accusation which are not true. If you guys are intent on taking moral potshots at each other, you shouldn't cry 'foul' when the other makes a hit.
DIB, I was referring to the original Fantom, the one later called the Thunder. It was the best. A motor with a little more suck, a larger diameter hose and wand, a little easier to push, and the multi-cyclone, bottom empty dustbin, and viola, an vacuum ahead of its time even today. DIB, what do you have to say about the wiring harness in the dirt tube on the DC25? And the problematic clutch in the DC07 and 14?
Let's not forget 8,000 Dyson vacuums find their way into American homes each and every day, and it shows no sign of abating. Dyson has to continue winning an increasing share of the market to sustain that figure, however. The vacuum buying market has yet to decide what the least acceptable life-cycle is for a 300.00 to 500.00 vacuum. That is everything. If is say, 5 years, and people are repeat Dyson buyers, then Dyson's future is secure. If not, something has to change, reliability/longevity must go up, or prices must come down, or both. The market rules.
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #170 Dec 4, 2009 6:39 pm
Hi Trebor:
I took a time out. After 55 plus years of being self-employed in the vacuum cleaner sales and service business and an independent consultant to the vacuum industry, I retired. Can't take more of a time out than permanent retirement.
BTW, I've read your posting of 8,000 dyson units sold several times now and I must say it sounds too good to be true. You know what "they" say when something sounds too good to be true. It usually is. With 55 years plus of experience, I get that trust but verify feeling with that number. What can you offer to assuage my feelings of doubt?
