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vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
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Sebo X1.1
Original Message   Jul 20, 2009 7:19 pm
Woohoo I bought the basic Sebo X1.1 today and have been running it around my house like a mad man! I can see why people like these over the old X1 Automatic and it isn't as noisy as the X4.
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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sebo X1.1
Reply #11   Oct 21, 2009 12:29 pm
M00seUK wrote:
I can't think of any 'obvious' reasons myself...
Trebor wrote:
The rumor of Dyson going bankrupt has persisted for years. They are still selling Dysons, for now. The problem is the longevity of the Dysons vs. their cost. For every person who is still waxing eloquent over the performance of their Dyson after 5 years, their are at least three who are outraged that a 500.00 bagless vacuum did not last long enough to pay for itself with savings on dustbags. Dyson is losing ground, but they are not done quite yet.

A local vac shop was a Dyson dealer/service center who was cancelled for 'selling too many parts' This guy has three local vac shops and three different internet sites. He was not wholesaling to anyone. Most of his Dyson parts sold at ABOVE msrp and were snatched up by buyers happy to pay.  So what was the problem? Dyson wanted new machines to be sold instead of the customer's old one being repaired and continuing to function.

What Dyson has done is drive sales of Mieles and Sebos through the roof!  The customer is told the cost of the repair and the wait, and is shown a durable, QUIET, powerful true HEPA vacuum, and another Dyson bites the dust and another customer converted to a different brand. The latest chapter in the saga is Dyson USA called the vac shop owner and bought back ta huge quantity of their own parts so they could resell them.

If you look at the history of the Fantom, massive initial sales, more model intoductions, loss of warranty centers, lack of available parts, bankruptcy, all but the last item on the list has repeated itself with Dyson.  The question is not if, but when will Dyson finally go belly up.



M00seUK:

Sometimes what is obvious for some is not so so for others.  Let me assist.

Trebor provides a few so I took the liberty to post them verbatim rather than except or repost.  I was thinking of these when I posted to you.  I would add too that dyson's move to Malaysia is another big one.  The move and Sir James' lame reasons have stuck in the Brits/PM craw ever since and still.  All the above reasons in concert contribute to dyson's consistent loss of new vacuum market share in the UK since its high of 43 percent in 2004.  Sources tell me that dyson has 21 [liberal estimate] percent in the UK now.  This percentage has been decreasing year over year since its high in 2004.  My take, FWIW on this side of the pond, is that dyson employees and/or business partners don't want to be associated with the brand because they are ashamed of it. 

Years and years ago, I drove and ran shot gun on vehicles and trucks picking up/delivering new vacuum brands with the companie's names and logos proudly displayed.  A Smith & Wesson was a huge deterrent to the ne're do wells who may have had other intentions for my loads.  On one occasion I actually had to use it and more than just brandish.

MIELE for example in the USA operates a mobile warehouse and display store cross country from its headquarters in NJ.  It is stocked with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of MIELE merchandise.  Not counting the cost of the vehicle.  MIELE allows the vehicle to sit in the malls and shopping centers where its stores and dealers are located.  Yup, blasted all over with the brand name and logo.

Carmine D.

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Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Sebo X1.1
Reply #12   Oct 21, 2009 3:18 pm
Nonetheless, thieves usually get but a pittance of the potential value of "name-game" goods. They have no real vantage point from which to deal as it's obvious to most they attempt to sell to that the source of what they're selling is suspicious.

The really awful part is that, in the end, the cost of high in demand everyday goods stolen from manufacturers or sellers ends up being factored into future pricing by and then passed on to the consumer.

I do not know if the loss is handle in the same manner when it comes to counterfeit clothing, another big illegal industry here in New York.

Venson
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sebo X1.1
Reply #13   Oct 21, 2009 6:44 pm
Venson wrote:
Nonetheless, thieves usually get but a pittance of the potential value of "name-game" goods. They have no real vantage point from which to deal as it's obvious to most they attempt to sell to that the source of what they're selling is suspicious.

The really awful part is that, in the end, the cost of high in demand everyday goods stolen from manufacturers or sellers ends up being factored into future pricing by and then passed on to the consumer.

I do not know if the loss is handle in the same manner when it comes to counterfeit clothing, another big illegal industry here in New York.

Venson


Very true Venson.  Sometimes the criminals will try to fence to industry professionals and cover up the real way the goods were gotten.  Never works.  I was approached in such cases and responded that I was already contacted by the manufacturer and local authorities that the goods are stolen.  That response got the culprits to high tail out in short order.  I didn't and wasn't.  If the person[s] were not above board, they did what most guilty people do.  Run and hide.

Carmine D. 

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