The Dyson DC22 canister was very recently introduced in Japan. I have heard that this will make it to the US market in order to expand their canister range.

Key Features:

-Root Cyclone with Core Separation
-Dyson Digital Motor
-Stowaway Design
-Motorhead
-Pre filter rinse once every seven years

Acerone wrote:

Thanks Ace. 

Anyone know the reason that the air watts on dyson's DC23 is 220 for USA model and 251 [constant] for UK model? 

Recently I noted dyson's DC19 T2 on the UK cite was 280 air watts.  DC22 for USA shows 230 air watts. 

DC11 was 275 air watts. 

Very confusing air watt numbers for these dyson canister models.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Agreed.

More so when I'm sure I read years ago, that the 'all singing, all dancing' Dyson Digital Motor was supposed to generate one third MORE suction power than existing motors. Clearly the motor is incapable of such a feat, for if it had, the US DC22 would surely be around the 300 air Watts mark.

Trilobite wrote:

The dyson claim appears to have evolved to mean energy efficiency [as in less power usage?] as opposed to air watts [suction power]?  I have to wonder if the dyson digital motor will be to the vacuum industry what the Chevy Vega aluminum block engine was to the automobile industry.  A nice try but no cigar.

Carmine D.

The Dyson digital motor

“It’s incredible that electric motors have changed so little since they were first invented, 180 years ago.

Dyson engineers have done away with outdated, energy-hungry components. Ten years in the making, our digital motors are faster, more power-efficient and much cleaner.”

CarmineD wrote: in reality who really cares about  a power efficient vacuum ....as long as it has great power ..suction. ..high quality hepa filtering , decent noise level..package that and the public will take it, buy it ...reguardless of the amount of energy it uses, the vast majority of the people want pure power...a vacuum that does what its supposed to do....at a decent price......example-a  90$  HOOVER TEMPO will hang with or out do any DYSON ..all day long..everytime.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hi "turtle1"

Conspicuously absent from the latest dyson claim about its digital motor is comparable suction power to the traditional industry armature/brush motor.  

To truly be worthy of the premium price paid, dyson's motor claim has to include this equality not just in words but in actions. 

Vacuum consumers will sacrifice energy efficiency and cleaner exhaust for more suction power at a lower price.  

This appears true for vehicles too.  Hybrids are generally viewed as not worth the premium over gas cars.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote: power sells....and from all the hype i among many others thought  or were led to believe by sir james that this was to be the untouchable motor...power far beyond the norm.....10 years and a 90$ tempo shows you how its done....just a little dirtier...soon the comp will take this motor..study it and make it a true powerhouse....thats what has worked for the imports...take it and make it better..the only difference here is dyson foots the bill....and someone else makes it what it should have been in the first place....and then sell it in a unit @ a 1/4 of the price of a dyson......kinda like now.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Same thing has happened with vac sales.  Big box stores sell cheaper than indepentents, have what you want in stock, give satisfaction return policy.  You can get an extented waranty that will get the vac replaced if problem is serious.  Or you can take to an indy for warranty repairs.  BUY AT THE BIG BOX STORES.

HARDSELL wrote:

A very common but false perception about the convenience of big box store vacuum purchases.  It ends when the product is faulty after the 30 day customer return period.

The truth is that big box stores sell "cheaper" quality vacuums than the independent vacuum stores. 

Given the chance, independent vacuum store owners and operators will match or beat the prices of big box store brand vacuums.  And offer better quality vacuum products than the big box stores.

Big box stores only sell.  Customers have to take their new vacuum purchases, inside of warranty, to an authorized dealer when the products fail.  It's a crap shoot.  Big box stores sell product replacement plans if customers want to shell out more money at time of purchase.   A money maker for big box stores just as most extended warranties. 

Definitely not worth the money.

If the customer can't find a local authorized store willing and/or able to repair the product under warranty, the customer has to ship the vacuum back to the brand maker for resolution.  Oftentimes, paying the hefty costs for shipping and handling up front and left without a vacuum for 2-3 weeks.  Then, hope the right vacuum gets returned............properly repaired.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Footnote:  Why is it a crapshoot?

A customer buys a new $500 plus vacuum from a big box store.  It fails after 6 months and under warranty.  The retailer tells the customer to ship it back to the brand maker clear across the country and/or take it to a authorized dealer for the brand.  It's a crap shoot either way.  Why?

If I'm the authorized dealer, and I don't like the product model, I'll fix it and get reimbursed by the maker for the parts and my time.  Maybe.

More likely, I'll tell the customer I don't like the product model.  Since the customer shelled out $500 plus and has a problem, he/she is already disgruntled.  And will probably seek out other alternatives and avenues of resolution.  More than likely, a trade in for a dealer sold make and model. 

Else ship it back, pay the freight, wait the time, be without and hope for the best.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

The truth is that big box stores sell "cheaper" quality vacuums than the independent vacuum stores. 

Such as?

Given the chance, independent vacuum store owners and operators will match or beat the prices of big box store brand vacuums.  And offer better quality vacuum products than the big box stores.

Maybe and maybe not better price.  Better quality as in expensive import brands?  Indys do not get better quality on the same model as in BB stores.

Big box stores only sell.  Customers have to take their new vacuum purchases, inside of warranty, to an authorized dealer when the products fail.  It's a crap shoot.  Big box stores sell product replacement plans if customers want to shell out more money at time of purchase.   A money maker for big box stores just as most extended warranties.  Definitely not worth the money.

It is a crap shoot when you go into an indy store.  They will wiggle to make it look as if the user is the problem.  What is the difference in an authorized dealer for a BB store and an indy.  Both require a trip to the business.  The extended warranty is very inexpensive when you consider it covers parts and labor.  It also is for a longer time than the factory warranty from the indy.  It also can cover accidental damage.  Indys make money after the warranty by selling services and parts not needed.   I bet you wish you had more warranty on your plasma that failed prematurely.

If the customer can't find a local authorized store willing and/or able to repair the product under warranty, the customer has to ship the vacuum back to the brand maker for resolution.  Oftentimes, paying the hefty costs for shipping and handling up front and left without a vacuum for 2-3 weeks.  Then, hope the right vacuum gets returned............properly repaired.

The store has to provide a service center and they will ship back if necessary.  No shipping charge in warranty.  Most indys take 2 or 3 weeks to repair also and you will be luck if it is done right.

Carmine D.

Your circumstances are always different than anyone else's. No need to proceed with this. 

One last question.  Where are you buying all your hoovers.?