Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

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CarmineD wrote:

I never said they did. What's your point? I'm not talking about what can be 'compared' to Electrolux, I'm talking about what Electrolux sell within the UK, and what Hoover sell in the UK, compared to what the respective brand-equivalents sell in the US.

Model2 wrote:
Hi Model2,

Electrolux AB, not a specialist in vacuums but a mass producer of large and small appliances, is at least making an effort in the bagless department with the new "Versatility" upright (link to user manual below)and the "Twin Clean" canister.

I haven't heard any report of the Versatility yet but the Twin Clean can has been out for a while. Lowest canister score being 57 and highest being 73, our Consumer Reports gave it an overal rating of 63. Consumer reviews were telling in that it is made apparent that very regular filter maintenance is necessary to keep this model up to optimum "out of the box" performance as time passes.

Just a guess on my part, Electrolux already has so many irons in the fire that it may not be overly worried about a state-of-the-art vacuum under its own brand. It also owns our Eureka brand and the bagless Eureka Boss 4D 5893 got rather nice scores in CR's last ratings.

Versatility Upright

http://smallappliances.electroluxusa.com/Files/79976_rev%201%20OG%20eng.pdf

Twin Clean Canister

http://smallappliances.electroluxusa.com/files/usa_english/0-999/77764_TwinClean_OG_r10.pdf

Best,

Venson

CarmineD wrote:

Small time player or not, they offer technology far superior to Electrolux - and also currently offer the quietest vacuum cleaner onsale in the UK! As for LG - visit their website! Has it never occurred for you to do any original research? I'm not going to spoonfeed you infomation, Carmine! You really stretch your credentials when you try and comment on the UK market, which clearly you're totally unfamiliar with, both in terms of the products on offer, and the UK buyer's perception of their standing!

Venson wrote:

Again, I'm talking within the context of the UK market, not the US market. Electrolux are still the 3rd biggest seller of vacuum cleaners, in unit sales, within the UK, regardless of what other products they offer.

What you say about the need for filter maintenence in the Twinclean demonstrates the need for higher-efficiency cyclonics in their machines, to keep more dust away from the filters for longer. And like I've said, Hoover, Dyson, Vax, Samsung and LG all offer this!

My point Model2 is the same as Venson's.  Electrolux is a major player in kitchen appliances in the UK and Europe.  And now making a name for itself in the USA for appliances.  Vacuums are secondary to Electrolux's business model/mission statement.  In the USA, the Electrolux brand is primarily a producer of bagged vacuum cleaners not bagless [EUREKA being both bagged and bagless].  Bagless technology is not relevant to Electrolux brand vacuum products in the USA.  

BTW, LG to my knowledge has no vacuums in the USA.

Carmine D.

Model2 wrote:

There's the answer to your question Model2.  If Electrolux is the 3rd biggest seller of vacuums in the UK market, a product that is not its mainstay line in that market, why bother to invest more time and money to compete for first/second place.

Carmine D.

Model2 wrote:

As we've said in response, HOOVER, dyson, VAX, SAMSUNG and LG don't have the huge kitchen appliance presence that Electrolux has in the same markets in which they all compete. 

Carmine D. 

Model2 wrote:
True Model2 but the world has changed. Just as you and I are communicating almost instantly and at little cost it would seem that other barriers are or should be breaking down. I want to look at vacuums with a less centrist and broader perspective. As the world is not all about vacuums produced in or for the UK or the US, it does not matter to me where a vacuum is made or who made it. My greater cause for interest is how it performs why I can't have it if it's good.

Regarding bagged versus bagless, I'm finding it all just about the same ticket. I have an bagless LG clone that does great at cleaning but fine dust filtration breaks down if litter begins to collect around the shroud and the cyclonic spin is hampered. I have the bagged Miele S7 Tango which I think is just wonderful. You can, clean and clean and suction is not notably altered until the bag is almost full AND, using the high-filtration type "U" bags you find little or no dust on the walls of the bag chamber. However, it has its shortcomings too.

The Twin Clean is not my ideal but then again I don't see it as the end of the world if it is what you have to work with. Having owned and used canisters and uprights plus water-type, permanent bagged, disposable bagged and bagless vacs its all more about being in tune with the machine you're using.

Venson

Whoah
I totally missed the debate here on Samsung.

To the best of my experience and knowledge model2 listen to what these guys are saying! Electrolux are a mass international brand company; Samsung started by churning out TVs, Videos and Stereos in the late 1990s. In Europe they tried their hand at vacuum cleaners and they were NOT their own design; the Samsung Jet Propel series is loosely based on LG's bagged upright and to a latter extent Dirt Devil U.S inspired uprights. Their cylinder cleaners followed a similar route whilst their latest cylinder vacuum may well claim to be the quietest, I still find Miele rules supreme in that market for cylinder vacuums even their new S7 range uprights are quieter than the rubbish Samsung are currently selling. Its all very well having to have a quiet claim on ONE type of market product but if it can't be applied to other vacuum cleaner styles in the family then there is limited appeal for those who dont like cylinder vacuums.

Samsung and LG are however different. The U.S market had LG for at least five years before we could even buy any of their larger household appliances inthe UK. I recall my father impatiently waiting for LG to launch their direct drive washing machine in the UK so we could buy one and that was back in 2000. Over Samsung however LG have had a great reliability record in the UK at least; Samsung are still recovering from their American style refridgerators that caught fire earlier this year.

vacmanuk wrote:
I am not familiar with appliance reliability, however, Samsung reliability excels over LG in audio/video electronics.