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Acerone


Joined: Jul 25, 2007
Points: 986

The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Original Message   Mar 13, 2009 5:05 pm
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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #35   Mar 15, 2009 2:03 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Come on Carmine, you hammer on us for not providing relevant numbers. So belly up and cough up some...  [relevant] numbers and otherwise please.


DIB



You missed it the first time around.  Here's an encore.

CarmineD wrote:

And you, HS, always say don't pull numbers out of the air for the sake of doing so! 

More than likely vacuum sales in 2008 were off both in dollars and units but just slightly.  I have not seen any official numbers from the industry authorities who track and report on these matters, like the NPD.  Most say the vacuum industry figures are only best estimates for a variety of reasons:

--One, privately owned companies, like dyson, are hesitant to report honest broker figures in bad times for fear of the industry ripple effects.  They spin the numbers to their advantage.  

--Two, it's likely that sales of vacuums at big box stores in the $50-$250 range increased year over year while there was a fall off of higher priced vacuums in those sales venues.  This complicates the picture.  An industry phenomenon called "trading down."  Very common across all industries in a recession/depression.  So, in total the industry looks alright but in fact individual companies are falling down.  Most likely as a result of "trading down" high priced brands and models sold thru big box stores suffered the worse [witness the sudden fall of halo]. 

--Third, my personal and professional experience and conversations with experts and pros in the business [some who post here] affirm there was and will continue to be increases in sales of parts and repairs during hard times at most of the local independent vacuum stores.  This increase in business offsets the fall off of new vacuum sales.  Venson was kind enough to post and share a recent news article from a local vacuum store whose 2008/2009 business reflected this.  I recall the vacuum store owner was waiting almost a week on an okay for an $85 repair on a dyson. 

Finally, Tom Oreck, Dave's son and company CEO, reported to several news authorities, that 2008 ORECK sales were not as good as predicted and expected at the beginning of 2008.  But certainly not as bad as most vacuum makers.  Why?  ORECK caters to a niche market and is sold thru a network of its own 500 owned/franchised stores and independents.  ORECK has more control and authority over it's sales destiny than vacuum makers at the mercy of the big box stores.  An excellent vacuum business model for hard times.  Why?  These big box retailers are worried about going belly up.

Trebor, you said it well.  Who's standing when the dust settles?  They are the winners.

HARDSELL, my deepest apologies.  You and DIB got no bonuses in 2008 and 2009 is looking even worse.  Can't say I didn't tell you so, long before this economic sunami started 16 months ago.  You blew it off as just my typical doom and gloom. 

Carmine D

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #36   Mar 15, 2009 3:29 pm
CarmineD wrote:
You missed it the first time around.  Here's an encore.



Numbers??????????

Your self proclaimed brilliance is covered by a cloud. 

DC18


Dyson, Sebo and Bissell user

Joined: Jul 25, 2007
Points: 294

Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #37   Mar 15, 2009 5:30 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Thanks DC18.  Here is more information and pictures...

Story here.
Story here.

> click to enlarge


Your welsome DIB.  Thanks for posting the other links.  I can't see it being available in other markets as James Dyson says, it was said the DC12 would and it never did!  No mention of the DDM in any of them!  Very compact, smaller than the DC12!?  Like the new air driven brush head nozzle!

DC18

DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #38   Mar 15, 2009 6:25 pm
DC18,

The DC26 use a carbon brush motor.  The DDM was said to be noisy [costly too].

Look closely at the ball (hemisphere wheels) at the floor tool/pn, - very innovative. There is a video (below) of it's development on the Japanese DC26 web page.

DIB

http://dyson.co.jp/dc26/story/default.asp

http://kaden.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/news/2009/03/13/3657.html
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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #39   Mar 15, 2009 6:46 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
Numbers??????????

Your self proclaimed brilliance is covered by a cloud. 

In due time, all the numbers will come out.  Patience.

But since you asked, here is a number from the Federal Reserve to wet your appetite.  It was released on Friday March 13 accompanied by a full front page article.   Since WW11 the Fed has tracked and reported on the wealth of Americans every year.  During this time, its always gone up, year over year, save last year.  Total wealth of Americans went down by 18 percent for a net loss of $11 TRILLION dollars.  You know the reasons for the wealth [asset] declines: Home values plummeted, 401 K's tanked, unemployment rose.

Now to get a feel for the magnitude and meaning of this number:  $11 TRILLION.  It exceeds the combined total of the annual output for Germany, the UK and Japan last year. 

Since you follow the new auto sales, you know the sale of all luxury cars was down last year and many luxury car brand companies like BWM and even your fave Toyota reported losses last year.  They both are predicting losses this year.  It's called the "wealth effect."  When wealth is growing, US consumers splurge and particularly on luxury items.  With the steep losses in wealth, it now cuts the other way spurring frugality.  What I called in my synopsis of vacuum sales a retail phenomenon called "trading down."

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #40   Mar 15, 2009 7:39 pm
Carmine:  Get it together first...  get the numbers, facts and relevant info and then post your positions.  The "Believe me I'm a vac professional/industry professional" is a "line" and it may or may not of worked magic in your shop.  On the web fact checking is oh so easy.

I liked Model2's FaceBook illustration, it reminded me of Apple users posting their love for their Macs.

Model2:  Good illustration (FaceBook and Palace), just be prepared to be challenged - always.  I’ve learned to take these challenges, attacks and otherwise and use it for my betterment.  I can smoke these guys if and when I choose.  I back off much and let em have their fun.


DIB
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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #41   Mar 15, 2009 8:16 pm
CarmineD wrote:
In due time, all the numbers will come out.  Patience.

But since you asked, here is a number from the Federal Reserve to wet your appetite.  It was released on Friday March 13 accompanied by a full front page article.   Since WW11 the Fed has tracked and reported on the wealth of Americans every year.  During this time, its always gone up, year over year, save last year.  Total wealth of Americans went down by 18 percent for a net loss of $11 TRILLION dollars.  You know the reasons for the wealth [asset] declines: Home values plummeted, 401 K's tanked, unemployment rose.

Now to get a feel for the magnitude and meaning of this number:  $11 TRILLION.  It exceeds the combined total of the annual output for Germany, the UK and Japan last year. 

Since you follow the new auto sales, you know the sale of all luxury cars was down last year and many luxury car brand companies like BWM and even your fave Toyota reported losses last year.  They both are predicting losses this year.  It's called the "wealth effect."  When wealth is growing, US consumers splurge and particularly on luxury items.  With the steep losses in wealth, it now cuts the other way spurring frugality.  What I called in my synopsis of vacuum sales a retail phenomenon called "trading down."

Carmine D.



If you didn't know all of this before Friday it is further proof that yhour brilliance can't shine beyond the cloud.  I believe there are now less than 800 billionaires on the planet.

We discussed the decline in auto sales months ago.  As usual you wanted all to believe that Toyota was the only manufacturer suffering.  All are still feeling the crunch as they were back then.

I never said you are right or wrong.  I simply asked for numbers.  As usual you can't provide. Yet you think the rest should.

This message was modified Mar 15, 2009 by HARDSELL
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #42   Mar 16, 2009 7:48 am
Getting the numbers is the hard part.  Why?  If you completed your 2008 taxes, you know that the IRS extended the due date for mailing of all pertinent tax documentation from Jan 31, to Feb 15.  Something about a Stimulus Package that caused the dealy.  Considering it was a Sunday and the next day an official Holiday, the real due date was Feb17.  This in turn extends all reporting dates.  Like the requirement for publicly held companies to file financials for 2008 by March 31, 2009.  Privately held companies are even longer.  Recall dyson issued 2007 financials in November 2008.  A luxury of being owned by one person who does not share data unless it is spun to his and company's best light.  Then once all the data is individually reported it has to be collected, verified, compared and reported.  Takes time.   But it always comes out sooner or later.

Carmine D.

PS:  I am retired and haven't worked in/for the vacuum industry in over 2 years.  I have no inside information, no more professional connections and no business contacts.  I spend full time in enjoyment watching and assisting my 3 grand children grow up and occasionally mentoring them with their vacuum interests, among other matters of importance to little ones.  And occasionally spend a few minutes a day posting here for the benefit of others. 

This message was modified Mar 16, 2009 by CarmineD
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #43   Mar 16, 2009 7:51 am
DysonInventsBig wrote:
 I can smoke these guys if and when I choose.  I back off much and let em have their fun.


DIB



Only thing you are smoking is a double bong!  The fun is watching you run for cover when you get caught.

Carmine D.

DC18


Dyson, Sebo and Bissell user

Joined: Jul 25, 2007
Points: 294

Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #44   Mar 16, 2009 5:34 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
DC18,

The DC26 use a carbon brush motor.  The DDM was said to be noisy [costly too].

Look closely at the ball (hemisphere wheels) at the floor tool/pn, - very innovative. There is a video (below) of it's development on the Japanese DC26 web page.

DIB

http://dyson.co.jp/dc26/story/default.asp

http://kaden.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/news/2009/03/13/3657.html

Thanks DIB for the info.  Thought it might use a carbon brush motor!  Although I believe they are trying to work on more smaller, quieter, powerful versions of the DDM!  Do like the new floor tool, looks air driven not motor driven?   Very different to the ball on the motorhead power nozzle!

DC18

P.S. We now at my place of work have Airblades installed!  I think they are the new AB02's not the AB01's!!

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