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Axis


Joined: Dec 25, 2012
Points: 20

Aftermarket Carbs
Original Message   Dec 31, 2012 1:51 pm
Went to replace a carb I recently cleaned up, only because I thought having a new carb would be an assurance that the blower would be good to go and reliable when on demand.

Bought what was supposed to be an original Tecumseh part on Amazon, but received one made by Ruxing.†

Does this brand work OK, or should I replace with the real OEM?†
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Axis


Joined: Dec 25, 2012
Points: 20

Re: Aftermarket Carbs
Reply #10   Jan 2, 2013 8:31 am
First and foremost, thanks for the help.

trouts2:† Did just about everything you wrote and suspect the issue was in your #4, the two small holes in the throat.† I could readily probe one, but not the other.† It took a stiff thin diameter steel wire (.016, I think) bent to 90 degrees to do both.† That's a concern, that I pushed something into the welch cavity and it may come back to haunt.† And I later read that the float spring is directional and don't know if I should, but probably will regardless just to check things out, make sure it's on with the open end facing the right direction.

After reading the comments posted, I took a look at the after market fuel valve needle with the rubber tip side by side with a OEM part.† It looks to me, and I could be wrong, that the needle with the rubber tip (can it be called a needle if it has a rubber tip?)† is stamped or molded with an OK looking but crude stem, while the OEM needle appears machined with much more precision.† It's just the retired engineer in me being curious.

I'm fully capable of handling the carb repair, and would have been all set if it came with instructions.† It's all the questioning that I do, unlike the typical DIY'er, that's my stumbling block.

After reading all here, am tempted to keep the now working OEM carb in place and have the unused Chinese one on the shelf should it ever be needed.† I'd also like to find out how old this motor is, and if has points or solid state coil.

I saw one on Ebay with the Stens name advertised, and the Ruixing trademark on it in the photos.† Is it the same?

Cheers.
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eleckster


Location: Saint Anthony Village, MN
Joined: Dec 22, 2012
Points: 5

Re: Aftermarket Carbs
Reply #11   Jan 2, 2013 1:00 pm

The replacement carb is Oregon 50-642.I like the brass seat with rubber needle.That setup, in my experience, is more reliable.I work on half a dozen small engines a year so the small number could lead me in the wrong direction.

The Oregon carb has a plastic float that is very difficult to adjust, as the metal tab that holds the seat clip breaks off if much force is applied.Iím thinking that I may swap in the brass OEM float if it fit and see how that works.

There are probably more failures caused by me than can be blamed on the design.The seat is installed with the rib facing down.I do not have the tool.I asked the dealer for the tool but they did not stock it.Currently Iím using a transfer punch with the end buffed smooth, which is just slightly smaller than the hole for the seat. I recently read a reference in ďSmall Gas Engine RepairĒ by Paul Dempsey, to be sure there is a fuel shut off if the seat is elastomer as they leak.This made me feel better as misery loves company.

I have had some carbs fix themselves by running.Iím guessing that the seat settled in.Iíve also slowed the leak down by adjusting the float so that it is a little higher than flush.My theory is that as it over fills it puts more pressure on the seat.

Iíve read that there is an orientation to the clip that holds the needle, however I canít figure out why this is? It looks like it will operate the same either direction.I forgot what the orientation is, but if I knew I probably would put it in wrong to see if it caused a problem that could be fixed by turning it around.I have turned it around trying to fix a leak with no success.

What if you took the OEM needle and lapped, or peened it into the brass seat?

Obviously I suffer as well from the questioning issue as well:-)

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Axis


Joined: Dec 25, 2012
Points: 20

Re: Aftermarket Carbs
Reply #12   Jan 2, 2013 2:08 pm
It's written that the open end of the float needle faces toward the air in side.† Something about possibly binding if it's reversed.

Funny, you're having a good time with the rubber tip needles because the OEM design failed, I'm treating the seat of the OEM with respect (blew air into it, not against it while cleaning; the reverse of what trouts2 wrote but the result is the same) because it's never failed and look at the rubber tip design with trepidation of change.

Started it up today for the fun of it.† One pull!† Then I underchoked it for a quick stall but still started right up again.† As written above, it's a fussy little bugger.

How can I tell if the engine has points or is solid state?
trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
Joined: Dec 8, 2007
Points: 1328

Re: Aftermarket Carbs
Reply #13   Jan 2, 2013 2:33 pm

>>and have the unused Chinese one on the shelf

††† Or return it and get a used OEM from a dealer.††† Some dealers keep a box full.

>>I'd also like to find out how old this motor is, and if has points or solid state coil.

††† Solid state. The coil is above the flywheelon models which use the Tecumseh carb that crosses to the Stens number.

Sort of interesting side note is the Stens part is listed for 8 & 9hpís and the OEM number it replaces 8hps only.

>>I recently read a reference in ďSmall Gas Engine RepairĒ by Paul Dempsey, to be sure there is a fuel shut off if the seat is elastomer as they leak.

††† Weird as that basically means stretchy, rubbery, returns to itís original shapeÖ††† There are many millions of Tecumseh engines out there with rubber like seats that are fine and most for many years.Given the low presssure of the float I doubt a hard seat would work.

>> Iíve read that there is an orientation to the clip that holds the needle, however I canít figure out why this is?

†† The clip points to the throat opening.†† Iíve installed both ways and never noticed a difference.

kdez


Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: Feb 4, 2009
Points: 44

Re: Aftermarket Carbs
Reply #14   Jan 11, 2013 10:29 am
Trouts,

I have to rebuild a diaphragm type carb this weekend.† Ive never done that before.† Any resources or tricks you can point me towards?

It is a tecumseh 632117

Dan

trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
Joined: Dec 8, 2007
Points: 1328

Re: Aftermarket Carbs
Reply #15   Jan 11, 2013 11:04 am
†† No real advice.† For diaphragm type I usually don't get a kit, just the diaphragm.†

†† Exploded view of that carb:

†† http://www.partstree.com/parts/?lc=tecumseh&mn=CA-632117&dn=CASERIES_071632117-CA

†† Decent service manual on diaphragm types at the Walboro site:

†† http://www.walbro.com/servicemanuals.aspx
jtclays


Joined: Aug 7, 2011
Points: 16

Re: Aftermarket Carbs
Reply #16   Jan 11, 2013 1:31 pm
kdez,† Short tips on your rebuild.† Pay attention to the "F" designation on the carb body, it dictates whether the gasket or diaphragm go against the bottom plate.† Sand lightly or wire wheel the bottom plate as clean as you can get it.† It's junk metal and won't shine, but you can't have any white powdery residue looking crap left, especially at the edges of the gasket/diaphragm engagement surface!
Make sure the metal side of the diaphragm is up toward the needle valve, otherwise when you blow the air into the primer line it won't go up and hit the needle valve to release fuel.†
Don't know on your specific one, but the main jet nut size is likely 9/32" and a fat, cheap socket won't fit right and you can strip it easy........I say from experience :-)
When you remove the main jet/needle seat make sure the washer (usually part #56 in diagrams) comes out with the old stuff.† If not, look around in there, it'll drive you nuts upon reassembly if it it's still in there!
Pay special attention when "probing" with wires or blowing air INTO or OUT OF the main fuel inlet.† There is a check valve in there between the hose nipple and carb body.†† On the oldie style Toro S-200/620 carbs, that part is no longer available.† You can kill it easy with a wire probe thinking you are feeling blockage........I say from experience :-)
kdez


Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: Feb 4, 2009
Points: 44

Re: Aftermarket Carbs
Reply #17   Jan 13, 2013 9:51 am
jtclays,

thanks so much for the tips!† i will let you know how I make out.

kdez


Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: Feb 4, 2009
Points: 44

Re: Aftermarket Carbs
Reply #18   Jan 14, 2013 8:08 pm
trouts2 wrote:
†† No real advice.† For diaphragm type I usually don't get a kit, just the diaphragm.†

†† Exploded view of that carb:

†† http://www.partstree.com/parts/?lc=tecumseh&mn=CA-632117&dn=CASERIES_071632117-CA

†† Decent service manual on diaphragm types at the Walboro site:

†† http://www.walbro.com/servicemanuals.aspx


Thanks!
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