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Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
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Best Snow thrower or Electric shovel for doing a Roof
Original Message   Jan 28, 2011 3:50 pm
I'm looking for something that would be good for doing our roof. obviously the big 2 stage Toro won't be able to do it and would be a PITA to get up a ladder or out a window.

We have a new roof so I don't want to hurt the roof but the snow is really built up out there and it tends to melt very slowly. We are heading into Feb and lots more snow so I need something light enough and easy to manuever to use up there. The roof is pretty steep and in one section windows are mounted in the roof so that area might not be possible. They want a fortune to clear it and only the lesser section so I need something. Electric would probably be ok but it has to have enough power and the roof is pretty steep and high.

Any ideas?

"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
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Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
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Re: Best Snow thrower or Electric shovel for doing a Roof
Reply #41   Feb 3, 2011 1:28 pm
Shryp wrote:
Just found this video:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e1_1296706889

and

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2fdad73e43


Yeah I saw that on NECN they've been running it for a couple of days now. Good thing those people are ok. Lots of other roofs going down but so far none in my area. I have a call into the guy who did the roof and since he's a neighbor hopefully he can evaluate how much more the roof can take before it gets too risky.

"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
longboat


Joined: Feb 11, 2009
Points: 103

Re: Best Snow thrower or Electric shovel for doing a Roof
Reply #42   Feb 3, 2011 2:36 pm
Steve_Cebu wrote:
That might work, the only thing is I can only do that on one side and it's looking less likely because the layer of ice up there makes it tough to get any footing. I think I'm just going to pay a guy to do the job. If I get injured it'll cost me a lot more than $500.

Only other thing I can think of is trailer house anchors or the corkscrew dog leash anchors - they'll hold you for sure.  They might be a little tough to drive into frozen ground - might have to put some warm saltwater on the ground before you dig in (I've dug a few postholes in frozen ground that way - chip out a little depression in the ground, put some warm saltwater in there and cover it and let it sit overnight) .  However, in the end, if you're not comfortable with what you are doing, then best to pay the pros.
longboat


Joined: Feb 11, 2009
Points: 103

Re: Best Snow thrower or Electric shovel for doing a Roof
Reply #43   Feb 4, 2011 9:08 am
 LOL - just remembered the scene from Grumpy Old Men where they shoot water from a garden hose onto the snowy roof over an entryway, so that it forms a sheet of ice under the snow thus causing an avalanche for the unwitting homeowner who steps out the door (with slamming of said door causing the avalanche).

If you could shoot some water up along the peak of the roof, maybe you could create a similar avalanche situation...

p.s. - saw the Avalanche AVA300 roof snow removal system (sounds like it is easier/better than a roof rake), maybe you could stand on a tall stepladder strapped in the back of your pickup and reach some of the roof with that system...

Paul7


Joined: Mar 12, 2007
Points: 452

Re: Best Snow thrower or Electric shovel for doing a Roof
Reply #44   Feb 4, 2011 9:22 am
Steve...The Today Show just did a segment on roof collapses in NY and NE.  Holy Molly!  They said that roof rakes are selling like Cabbage Patch Kids in their prime, and companies that remove snow from roofs are booked 24/7.  Main advice to property owners was to listen for any unusual sounds.  I was able to force heat to my attic to melt the snow but without an attic that's not an option for you.  I think that this is the time to call the pros...good luck.
Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
Points: 888

Re: Best Snow thrower or Electric shovel for doing a Roof
Reply #45   Feb 4, 2011 9:33 am
longboat wrote:
 LOL - just remembered the scene from Grumpy Old Men where they shoot water from a garden hose onto the snowy roof over an entryway, so that it forms a sheet of ice under the snow thus causing an avalanche for the unwitting homeowner who steps out the door (with slamming of said door causing the avalanche).

If you could shoot some water up along the peak of the roof, maybe you could create a similar avalanche situation...

p.s. - saw the Avalanche AVA300 roof snow removal system (sounds like it is easier/better than a roof rake), maybe you could stand on a tall stepladder strapped in the back of your pickup and reach some of the roof with that system...



I don't have a pickup truck.  Still I think that shooting water onto a roof that has 3 feet of snow would take some time and with temps at nigt going to -7F it's going to freeze pretty quickly. Last year during the snow melt, very warm very quickly, it overloaded the septic tank because all the runoff from the driveway goes into it.

I'll try and snap some pics to show how bad it is up there. If it was just a foot that would be ok.

For the lower roof and garage I can easily walk on those, the upper roof not a chance, you need a tall ladder and you'd have crap stability on the snow in the driveway.

"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
Points: 888

Re: Best Snow thrower or Electric shovel for doing a Roof
Reply #46   Feb 4, 2011 9:37 am
Paul7 wrote:
Steve...The Today Show just did a segment on roof collapses in NY and NE.  Holy Molly!  They said that roof rakes are selling like Cabbage Patch Kids in their prime, and companies that remove snow from roofs are booked 24/7.  Main advice to property owners was to listen for any unusual sounds.  I was able to force heat to my attic to melt the snow but without an attic that's not an option for you.  I think that this is the time to call the pros...good luck.


Yeah I know, everytime the news is on we see roofs collapsing.

Most people up here are also now fully booked for clearing the roof. $100+ per hour is good money for these guys. Our roof guy hasn't called back, too busy I guess.

More snow on the way for Sat and then Mon & Tues. This is what I get for waxing my snowblower.

"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Best Snow thrower or Electric shovel for doing a Roof
Reply #47   Feb 4, 2011 10:07 am
Steve_Cebu wrote:
Yeah I know, everytime the news is on we see roofs collapsing.

Most people up here are also now fully booked for clearing the roof. $100+ per hour is good money for these guys. Our roof guy hasn't called back, too busy I guess.

More snow on the way for Sat and then Mon & Tues. This is what I get for waxing my snowblower.


If it was easy and safe, you would done it already, right?

Consider the people who offer that service, risking their life and limb, sometimes that's the only opportunity for them to make good money.
borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: Best Snow thrower or Electric shovel for doing a Roof
Reply #48   Feb 4, 2011 10:09 am
Steve:

Have you thought of temporary internal roof supports? 

It sounds like the house has rafters and ridge poles rather than standard truss'.   If it does, you could make yourself some long posts out of 4x4 lumber.   You could use a piece of plywood as a protective base for the floor then haul in some long 4x4s to prop up the the ridge pole(s).   Twenty feet is an awful long piece of lumber though.   You might have to laminate some lumber to build that kind of length.  Even a couple 16' 2x8 planks with an 8' 2x8 screwed in between half way down would work.  That way you could build it (them) inside to the exact length you need.    If you distribute some of the load directly to the floor, that will relieve some of the load from the walls.  You will probably also need a small hydraulic jack to raise the posts to put some of the load on the floor.  If possible, the load going to the floor should be supported by a wall or post in the basement. 

Not pretty stuff, I'm sure, but for the money, it could possibly avert a disaster.  




Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
Points: 888

Re: Best Snow thrower or Electric shovel for doing a Roof
Reply #49   Feb 4, 2011 10:31 am
aa335 wrote:
If it was easy and safe, you would done it already, right?

Consider the people who offer that service, risking their life and limb, sometimes that's the only opportunity for them to make good money.



Granted but it still adds up to a lot of money. Most of the real pros not just guys who will shovel the roofs actually know what they are doing and have insurance etc...

Sadly a lot of these guys rely on YOUR insurance if they get hurt. I won't hire them it's too risky.

"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
Points: 888

Re: Best Snow thrower or Electric shovel for doing a Roof
Reply #50   Feb 4, 2011 10:36 am
borat wrote:
Steve:

Have you thought of temporary internal roof supports? 

It sounds like the house has rafters and ridge poles rather than standard truss'.   If it does, you could make yourself some long posts out of 4x4 lumber.   You could use a piece of plywood as a protective base for the floor then haul in some long 4x4s to prop up the the ridge pole(s).   Twenty feet is an awful long piece of lumber though.   You might have to laminate some lumber to build that kind of length.  Even a couple 16' 2x8 planks with an 8' 2x8 screwed in between half way down would work.  That way you could build it (them) inside to the exact length you need.    If you distribute some of the load directly to the floor, that will relieve some of the load from the walls.  You will probably also need a small hydraulic jack to raise the posts to put some of the load on the floor.  If possible, the load going to the floor should be supported by a wall or post in the basement. 

Not pretty stuff, I'm sure, but for the money, it could possibly avert a disaster.  






No I haven't heard of that, nor would I, that type of thing is way out of my league. The guy who did the roof would know about that and it sounds like it might work but would cost as much as clearing the roof. The ceiling is just under 24 feet high 23.? feet. I'm actively trying to get a guy to clear the roof but nothing available for a week, so far. I'm less worried about the garage than the living room. I'll try and gets some pics this afternoon. I've just been very busy today.

I do appreciate the advice

This message was modified Feb 4, 2011 by Steve_Cebu


"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
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