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New_Yorker


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HONDA Snowblower LED Light HS 928TAS
Original Message   Dec 23, 2010 1:52 pm
O-K, the light kit that is sold as an 'Accessory' for the Honda Snowblowers comes with a standard 12 V sealed beam, like the old car headlights of yesteryear. But it IS Halogen as Honda says, a $10.00 dollar GE Par36 50 Watt bulb that puts out 300 Lumens.  It is in fact manufactured for this and many other applications by a company named (PM) Peterson Manufacturing, (www.pmlights.com)   They list the light in its rubber weather and vibration resistant mount as a Model 507, and if you go to www.foxtaillights.com they sell it for about 30 bucks, without the special HONDA snowblower bracket you need to mount it to the Honda snowblower, for the kit that Honda sells that includes this expect to pay $ 60.00 buckaroos.   Now IF, like me, You want to install a light more modern, capable and bright here's what you do.  You again go to FoxTailLights.com, and buy the PM model 907 light with 10 LED Diodes to light your way and an estimated 100,000 hour durability and an output of 1000 Lumens  . . . that light with the same rubber mount sells for $ 72.00 plus shipping and anything else they can add. 

The light kit, like the Commercial Skid Shoes is supplied with the electroplated zinc, Guaranteed to RUST in record time, bolts, nuts & washers.  If you don't like rust on your new snowblower go to www.allensfasteners.com and replace the HONDA QuickRust hardware with some Stainless Steel.

Incidentally the Peterson Manufacturing (PM) Technical rep said that the OEM accesory light they supply Honda, the 50watt 12V sealed bean requires 2.54 amps, the new LED unit needs just  .51 amps to operate, so the extra power to run the switch is not going to be a problem.  Just make sure the unit gets as good a ground contact as you can or it might  not work. 

PM makes a stick-on reflective in either amber or red they call them "Spitfires", IMHO they are the brightest reflectors I've ever seen should anyone need such a thing.

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New_Yorker


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Re: HONDA Snowblower LED Light HS 928TAS
Reply #29   Jan 9, 2011 11:59 am
kderobertis wrote:
New Yorker,

Quick question, does the LED light work with a simple replacement of the 507 with the 907 in the rubber housing?  Do the wires connect the same?  If so, I will order the light and take a photo.

Is there any fickering while the engine is running?

So I replace this:

with this:


The 507F,( OEM accessory) will have only 1 wire coming from it which would 'plug-in' to the only wire unconnected on the side of the engine.  (mine was folded behind the electric starter motor out of sight so you may need to look for it).  My advice is before doing anything test that wire to make sure it is working, mine was not and needed the dealer to replace it.  (Test with a two wire circuit test light by attaching one lead to the socket for the light and touching the snowblowers frame on some unpainted place, like a bolt head.)  the test light should tell you by lighting up that the machine is producing power. (of course the engine must be running to do this test). 

The 907  (LED version) will have two wires coming from it, a white (Ground) wire and the red power connection wire.  The wire is a braided copper 16 guage, so buy a plug in connector that can be crimped onto that 16 guage red wire.  The rubber mount holds the lamp in place by simple friction, so you can easily remove it in both the 507 or the 907.  The white wire can be connected one of two ways. 1- open the rubber housing and solder it to the rivet inside the rubber housing same-same the old light,  so when you are finished it connects by the bolts and brackets to the frame and grounds the circuit OR 2- leave it outside the housing of the 907 which is the way it arrives (it still says 507 on the rubber) and run it to a frame bolt and fasten it. (you will need some 16 guage wire and a snap connector from Radio Shack to extend the wire.) Either works, so long as the circuit on the machine does.  I added a switch, but that is not needed unless you want to do it. 

The stock bulb requires, according to Peterson Manufacturing, almost 4 times the amps that the LED unit does, so there is not only plenty of power to operate the light, I was able to run a wire to the control panel and back to install a switch as well.  Peterson told me the new LED light only draws .51 amps, which seems incredibly little. No Flickering just bright white light.

Once you overcome the cost, the rest is fairly simple.  Best of Luck, it looks awesome.

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Re: HONDA Snowblower LED Light HS 928TAS
Reply #30   Jan 9, 2011 12:49 pm
MN_Runner wrote:
Just be careful about installing LED light on your snowblowers.  LED requires steady and tight DC voltage source and not sure the DC supplied by the snowblower is that steady without going thru a voltage conditioner.  Analog light is not that finicky and can handle some voltage imperfections.  My bike has NightRider bike lights and it comes with a Li battery supply.    So be careful about changing the light before checking the power source.

This advice has no validity on the swap of the PM 507 and PM 907 lights.  Peterson Manufacuring designed their 907 LED unit to work in such applications as the Honda Snowblower and has provided whatever circuitry is needed within the LED lamp itself.  A simple call to Peterson Manufacturing who makes Both the OEM Accessory unit and the LED UpGrade unit will reassure anyone needing such reassurance.  The same LED lamp in this model 907 is used for and sold by PM for many other applications, like stop lights, turn indicators etc. and it has a wide range of voltages it will accept.   I would never have suggested the idea if I was not certain the light works perfectly.  The LED also has a 100,000 hour life expectancy according to PM.  Have a great day.
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Re: HONDA Snowblower LED Light HS 928TAS
Reply #31   Jan 9, 2011 12:59 pm
Show me the pictures of your setup.  LED lights can only handle so much current so you need some way to control current going thru the LED otherwise you will burn out the LED light.  A resistor is typically added to limit the current going thru the LED.   I am not sure how current  regulation is accomplished with the snowblower power source.  If you (New_Yorker) have the specs for the snowblower power supply, please share the information with us.
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kderobertis


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Re: HONDA Snowblower LED Light HS 928TAS
Reply #32   Jan 9, 2011 7:00 pm
I decided the standard Honda light kit is fine for me, not worth the possible aggravation.

Ken

njal


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Re: HONDA Snowblower LED Light HS 928TAS
Reply #33   Jan 10, 2011 6:32 am
Stock light does the job for me.
FrankMA


Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
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Points: 587

Re: HONDA Snowblower LED Light HS 928TAS
Reply #34   Jan 10, 2011 6:42 am
njal wrote:
Stock light does the job for me.

Ditto. I live in an oak forest and it gets real dark when the it's overcast or there's no moon. I honestly never thought about an upgrade until I read this thread. I guess it all comes down to personal choice but the stock light kit provides plenty of visibilty and works fine for my needs.

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bob1459


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Re: HONDA Snowblower LED Light HS 928TAS
Reply #35   Feb 10, 2011 8:44 am
Just installed the LED Lght last night (PM 907)...Works great.  No issues, no flickering.  I bought it since my original light broke at the bracket from all the vibration.  So I figured I would try the new light..Nice and white
aa335


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Re: HONDA Snowblower LED Light HS 928TAS
Reply #36   Feb 10, 2011 9:57 am
bob1459 wrote:
Just installed the LED Lght last night (PM 907)...Works great.  No issues, no flickering.  I bought it since my original light broke at the bracket from all the vibration.  So I figured I would try the new light..Nice and white

Can you post pics of what this looks like?
bob1459


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Re: HONDA Snowblower LED Light HS 928TAS
Reply #37   Feb 10, 2011 11:23 am
Sure..I will take a pic tonight...It looks exactly the same except for seeing the LEDs in the front.  The light uses the same housing and mounts. 
aa335


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Re: HONDA Snowblower LED Light HS 928TAS
Reply #38   Feb 10, 2011 11:34 am
That would be great.  I'm also interested in seeing what kind of light pattern those LED lights cast.   Also, does it light up when the engine is at idle?  What throttle position does the LED come on or get full brightness?  I wonder if the light have some sort of voltage regulator circuitry.
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