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chefwong


Joined: Dec 18, 2004
Points: 175

Which single stage has the most power
Original Message   Oct 27, 2010 8:36 am
Preface: I've have has a HS520. Due to space contraints, etc - I'm not looking at 2 stage. Single stage for the most part is a perfect fit just short of....living on the right side and the plows only plow to the right so I cam constantly getting plowed in... Throw is fine already on the HS520. I was only curios does the 421/221 or even any current models on the market may have a bit more bite on the EOD/overnight plowed snow...
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aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
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Re: Which single stage has the most power
Reply #118   Dec 3, 2010 10:16 am
Thanks for thinking of me.  I had consider the metal scraper bar a while back when I first acquired the machine.  The plastic ones wear down so fast on concrete surfaces.

Let me know what the cost would be for a stainless steel one.  An exact SS replica sounds awesome.  I'd probably join you for a group buy.  :)  Have you consider titanium, like the ones on knee pucks?  Throw some sparks while snowblowing. 

So what's your plan now that you have two HS621?  Flip one of them for a HS35?
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chefwong


Joined: Dec 18, 2004
Points: 175

Re: Which single stage has the most power
Reply #119   Dec 3, 2010 11:32 am
I really need to start putting #'s down on paper or else I will get myself in trouble like I always do with side hobbys.

I think I'm going to do a mild RR on the other 621 and just give it to my sister.

The scraper bar from my CNC shop was very expensive...
It cost MORE than what I paid for the 2nd 621.
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
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Re: Which single stage has the most power
Reply #120   Dec 3, 2010 12:00 pm
I can see that CNC may be expensive.  The scraper looks like an extruded piece.  Have  you looked into spot welding a few pieces of SS together as a cheaper alternative?

As little or as much money and time as I had put towards my HS621, depending on who you ask, I found the RR process was quite fun.  The end result is that I have spanking new looking machine that's ready for service for another 10 years.  I find that it's not that outrageous considering it's a good piece of machine to begin with.

I would do the same as you if I had a second HS621.  I'd give it to family member and I'd do PM on it yearly for good measure.
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chefwong


Joined: Dec 18, 2004
Points: 175

Re: Which single stage has the most power
Reply #121   Dec 3, 2010 12:49 pm
On my way back, I swung by the shop and asked for a exact replica....but this was with the scraper that I removed out of the fresh baggie.

In reviewing the pics I took of the auger, I just need to sit and visually see how the scraper looks/fits on the machine and decide  what needs to be incorporated/removed into the design  for proper fitment and ridgitity ?
Less intricacies/workings should lower the production costs.
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
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Re: Which single stage has the most power
Reply #122   Dec 3, 2010 3:34 pm
In practical sense, I thought if I was to replace a scraper bar 2 times every year, it will still take a lot of years to equal the price of one custom CNC part.  The last one used was aftermarket and it did not hold up as well.  Hopefully the OEM stuff will be twice as durable.
chefwong


Joined: Dec 18, 2004
Points: 175

Re: Which single stage has the most power
Reply #123   Dec 3, 2010 7:14 pm
Anything that has a engine and paint has a soft spot for me.
I knew I would be in for trouble the 1st minute I looked into ~acquiring~ one.

To a degree, I think with the right gauge stock, and good solid welding, it probably can be done in just 2 pieces of stock
One that acts as the scraper base and the latter that acts as a mount. However, I do like the design incorporation with the mounting plates on the
back that sits ontop of the ~ridge~ that reinforces the whole thing.

I'm thinking plastic does have some benefits as well. Since it is a wearable edge, it's also better on pavers.
Softer wearing on wood as well.

I think it's time to scrap the scrap metal idea...
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Which single stage has the most power
Reply #124   Dec 5, 2010 5:40 pm
chefwong wrote:

I'm thinking plastic does have some benefits as well. Since it is a wearable edge, it's also better on pavers.
Softer wearing on wood as well.

I think it's time to scrap the scrap metal idea...

Yeah, the benefits of a metal scraper blade on a single stage are minimal compared to the cost.  Makes more sense on a 2 stage machine.

In the midwest, we just got 5 inches of heavy snow.  Took out the 621 on its maiden snowblowing task after the restoration.  It did really well even against the end of pile stuff.  I did my driveway, all the sidewalks, even the next 4 neighbor's sidewalks too.  The GX160 engine definitely have serious useable torque, smooth, and quiet.  It worked so well, I was going clear the whole block too. 
borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
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Re: Which single stage has the most power
Reply #125   Dec 5, 2010 5:54 pm
Scraper bars are not actually supposed to scrape.  Instructions I've read always say to leave a bit of space between the scraper and the surface being cleared by adjusting the skids accordingly. 
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
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Re: Which single stage has the most power
Reply #126   Dec 5, 2010 8:09 pm
borat wrote:
Scraper bars are not actually supposed to scrape.  Instructions I've read always say to leave a bit of space between the scraper and the surface being cleared by adjusting the skids accordingly. 

Yes, this applies to 2 stage snowblower, and that's how I set it too.

However, on the single stage, the Honda manual says to set the scraper height so that the rubber auger is above the pavement.  When I tip the single forward, the rubber auger makes contact with the pavement, and the scraper blade does not scrape the pavement.
chefwong


Joined: Dec 18, 2004
Points: 175

Re: Which single stage has the most power
Reply #127   Dec 22, 2010 10:40 am
I sold the 724....
Had a little buyers remorse.

My initial goal was I wanted a 2 stager, something metal, something serrated, something with a secondary blower to cut, chop, dice and then blow the snow out.
Something COMPACT.
This was all based before I built myself a new shed which could hold considerably bigger toys
Found the 724, at a great price and great condition....and bought one at a whim without putting deeper thought into it...

So while sitting back yesterday, looking at engine specs, and between drivetrain loss, I was feeling that even though I love the compactness of the bucket, it was a little underpowered at the end of the day.
I could probably get the same throw with the 621 and a little bit of manual work ice breaking EOD...
So I put it up on CL, got a quick response and ended up having a $500 profit for xmas goodies.

Now off to the interesting part.
Been debating whether it's worthwhile to get a snowblower that is not Supported in any shape or fashion in the USA.
Parts would be a mission to get.
I do like the features of it, it's quiet AND in my research, AFAIK, used agricutural equipment is NOT charged a customs fee when brought back to the US.

hmmm....Tough call. No support and parts support is such a huge factor to a degree ....
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