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Clay


Location: Wis
Joined: Dec 3, 2008
Points: 111

John Deere 1130 SE
Original Message   Jan 7, 2009 1:07 pm
I did a search and found a few references to this machine but no answers.  Any one have one of these?  15.5 snow max engine, heated hand grips, 30" wide.  I can't find a listing for auger diameter or impeller diameter.  I called John Deere and the guy that was suppose to be the snow thrower expert didn't know either. 

What is the Easy Steer drive system?  The literature says: 

  • Easy SteerŽ drive system giving continuous power to both wheels and auto speed adjustment
  • Is it similar to the Ariens auto differential? 

    I've heard that the units are built by B&S which translates to Simplicity.  They do have cast iron gear cases like the Simplicity.  The chute control is different than the simplicity and so is the turning method so they are not exactly the same.  I'm trying to compare the Simplicity L1530E to the JD 1130SE.  Any help would be appreciated.

    Rick

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    Clay


    Location: Wis
    Joined: Dec 3, 2008
    Points: 111

    Re: John Deere 1130 SE
    Reply #17   Jan 9, 2009 4:44 pm
    Paul, my wife doesn't even want me to talk to you.  You have it bad man, I LIKE IT! 

    Borat, McLory has it right in that the 15.5 is a 342cc engine. 

    embury


    Joined: Jan 11, 2009
    Points: 8

    Re: John Deere 1130 SE
    Reply #18   Jan 11, 2009 9:03 pm
    Has anyone had problems with their units losing forward or reverse drive?   I Purchased one from Lowes (Model 1130SE).  Within ten minutes of first using it in 10 Inches of light powdery snow, the unit would no longer move forward.    I promptly returned it to Lowes.   They did not have another unit, so I stopped by one of our small local Deere dealers.   I spoke to their service tech who said some of the units in our area were shipped without the correct  belt cover shield that mounts on the  engine.  OK,  that sounded logical.  So I decided to purchase another 1130 from the local dealer who installed the shield before the machine was delivered.    I used my new 1130 today, and It has the same drive problem as the first one.  Any time the chute is aimed to the right snow accumulates on the belt cover and frame.  After about 5 minutes both forward and reverse drive fails.   I believe there is a major design problem with the 1130 SE.   It will be interesting to see what B&S and John Deere will do to rectify this problem.
    pvrp


    Joined: Nov 14, 2008
    Points: 151

    Re: John Deere 1130 SE
    Reply #19   Jan 11, 2009 10:24 pm
    embury wrote:
    Has anyone had problems with their units losing forward or reverse drive?

    Looks like there's some sort of plague hitting snowblowers this year.

    You're probably not in the mood to hear someone talk about this lightly
    but there's sort of a club forming here made up of owners who have
    lost partial or total drive to their new machines.  There are various
    suggestions to solve the problem.  Mine is to take the machine indoors
    to a heated place and let it dry thoroughly then perform all adjustments
    in your user's manual before trying again.  Do the work yourself so you
    can be sure it was done properly.

    Paul
    Clay


    Location: Wis
    Joined: Dec 3, 2008
    Points: 111

    Re: John Deere 1130 SE
    Reply #20   Jan 12, 2009 8:33 am
    embury wrote:
    Has anyone had problems with their units losing forward or reverse drive?   I Purchased one from Lowes (Model 1130SE).  Within ten minutes of first using it in 10 Inches of light powdery snow, the unit would no longer move forward.    I promptly returned it to Lowes.   They did not have another unit, so I stopped by one of our small local Deere dealers.   I spoke to their service tech who said some of the units in our area were shipped without the correct  belt cover shield that mounts on the  engine.  OK,  that sounded logical.  So I decided to purchase another 1130 from the local dealer who installed the shield before the machine was delivered.    I used my new 1130 today, and It has the same drive problem as the first one.  Any time the chute is aimed to the right snow accumulates on the belt cover and frame.  After about 5 minutes both forward and reverse drive fails.   I believe there is a major design problem with the 1130 SE.   It will be interesting to see what B&S and John Deere will do to rectify this problem.



    Embury, there are two adjustments that control drive engagement that I know of on the John Deere 1130SE.  One of them is an adjustable idler.  This is easily accessed if you remove the plastic belt cover with two bolts.  The pulley that is closest to the engine can be loosened and repositioned to allow more tension on the drive belt.  My unit was slipping slightly and I asked the local service department since I didn't want to take any time in a service call, he just told me to put more tension on the belt.  Many units don't have an adjustable idler these days and all parts are fixed.  I took a screw driver to apply pressure to the pulley while I secured the pulley after first loosening it up and repositioning. 

    Their is also a linkage length adjustment on cable that actuates the drive lever.  If you look at the bottom of where the cable comes off of the drive lever you will see different holes that adjust for different length.  If this is too loose it won't engage the drive either. 

    These are both assuming that your drive belt is not broken but can be easily checked when you check the pulley. 

    Hope that this helps and again, I am very happy with my JD 1130 SE. 

    trekguy


    Joined: Jan 12, 2009
    Points: 7

    Re: John Deere 1130 SE
    Reply #21   Jan 12, 2009 11:01 pm
    Drive problems here, too.  Brand new machine.  Can stop at anytime.  Starting forward or starting reverse... or even while in the middle of a long straight... it will just stop.  I'll pull it and push it, fiddle with a bit,  try forward and reverse a few times... then it will go again.  No pattern that I could pick up on.... random stoppage.  I was clearing an easy 3 inch fluff today... should have been an easy job.... but I was dead tired after wrestling with the thing to get it moving over and over and over.

    The drive engagement cable was a bit sloppy, so I adjusted it to the next hole.... didn't help a bit.  Something is obviously slipping in there... can't believe it could be the friction disk, unless there's some grease or oil on there from the manufacturing/assembly process. ??  The traction drive belt has a spring tensioner pulley... no adjustment there. ??

    I'm willing to try a couple of things before I bring it in. 

    Any ideas?

    Disappointing. 
    trekguy


    Joined: Jan 12, 2009
    Points: 7

    Re: John Deere 1130 SE
    Reply #22   Jan 12, 2009 11:13 pm
    Clay wrote:
    Embury, there are two adjustments that control drive engagement that I know of on the John Deere 1130SE.  One of them is an adjustable idler.  This is easily accessed if you remove the plastic belt cover with two bolts.  The pulley that is closest to the engine can be loosened and repositioned to allow more tension on the drive belt.  My unit was slipping slightly and I asked the local service department since I didn't want to take any time in a service call, he just told me to put more tension on the belt.  Many units don't have an adjustable idler these days and all parts are fixed.  I took a screw driver to apply pressure to the pulley while I secured the pulley after first loosening it up and repositioning. 

    Their is also a linkage length adjustment on cable that actuates the drive lever.  If you look at the bottom of where the cable comes off of the drive lever you will see different holes that adjust for different length.  If this is too loose it won't engage the drive either. 

    These are both assuming that your drive belt is not broken but can be easily checked when you check the pulley. 

    Hope that this helps and again, I am very happy with my JD 1130 SE. 


    OK,  I read this again.  I haven't opened up the machine yet... but from the pictures in the manual... I don't see how that idler/tensioner can adjust... or even if it would matter.  The pulley swings on that arm... and the tension is supplied by the spring, right?  Would it even matter if the pulley could be moved one way or the other.... the tension is still supplied by the spring.  ??

    Help... I'm feeling quite stupid at the moment. 
    pvrp


    Joined: Nov 14, 2008
    Points: 151

    Re: John Deere 1130 SE
    Reply #23   Jan 12, 2009 11:16 pm
    If this problem is due to some property of the friction disk it would explain why it occurs to both
    Simplicity and Ariens models as they use the same disk.  Maybe the rubber recipe was changed
    or something.  Or maybe the coating or texture on the drive plate is the culprit.

    I'm waiting for Snowmann to put forth an opinion on this matter.  I realize that in a lot of cases
    slippage could be due to misadjustment but if it persists even when the everything is set right
    then it seems to me that there'll have to be some sort of company provided fix.

    Paul
    trekguy


    Joined: Jan 12, 2009
    Points: 7

    Re: John Deere 1130 SE
    Reply #24   Jan 13, 2009 12:08 am
    The weird thing is... it will go great guns for a while.  The scraper will dig into a ridge, or whatever,  and the tires will start digging like an 11 hp machine should.  Then, two minutes later, it will slow to a stop for no apparent reason.  Then it will go strong again.  Makes me think that the cause is external... snow/water getting in and disrupting things.  However, considering what the thing is supposed to be used for... that would be probably the most disappointing conclusion.
    Snowmann


    Joined: Dec 3, 2003
    Points: 494

    Re: John Deere 1130 SE
    Reply #25   Jan 13, 2009 12:40 am
    This may or may not help depending on if this is the problem or not.

    Briggs' engines have a lot of bosses and standoffs on their PTO cover (behind the belt cover). The Tecumseh PTO covers were always very flat. Are all of the apparent problem units Briggs powered?

    It's probably fair to say that nearly all contemporary 2 stage snow blower transmissions were designed with Tecumseh in mind. Even the Simplicity large and intermediate frame transmissions (and John Deere derivatives) are largely Murray in origin and pre-date both Briggs' latest snow engines and the acquisition of Simplicity Manufacturing (i.e. Simplicity and Murray used to use Tecumseh before they were acquired). That said, a Briggs powered snowblower may require special accommodation for sealing voids near the engine to keep moisture from penetrating to the drive plate and friction disk (especially for units that use an integral drive plate/pulley, which is most). As mentioned in this forum and elsewhere, similar problems may include Toro, Simplicity/John Deere, Ariens, and perhaps others. If a similar problem is experieinced, I would recommend checking parts manuals and with dealers to ensure that any intended accomodations are present and functioning.

    Someone did mention some type of shield on the John Deere model. I'm not familiar with this shield, but the latest Ariens' model 921010 ST27LE and a few other models do have such special accomodation.

    I hope this helps.
    Clay


    Location: Wis
    Joined: Dec 3, 2008
    Points: 111

    Re: John Deere 1130 SE
    Reply #26   Jan 13, 2009 1:21 pm
    trekguy wrote:
    OK,  I read this again.  I haven't opened up the machine yet... but from the pictures in the manual... I don't see how that idler/tensioner can adjust... or even if it would matter.  The pulley swings on that arm... and the tension is supplied by the spring, right?  Would it even matter if the pulley could be moved one way or the other.... the tension is still supplied by the spring.  ??

    Help... I'm feeling quite stupid at the moment. 



    I wish that I could post pictures on this board directly without going through a 3rd party .  I would be glad to email you a picture of the exact pulley and it's adjustment if you want to send me a PM through the board I will get it out.  If anyone here wants to help out I could send you the picture and you could insert it in this thread.  Sorry, not very computer literate.  Rick

    I took a look in my owners manual for the John Deere 1130 SE.  Look on page 28, item "K" to see the pulley that is adjustable.  It made a big difference when it was adjust tighter on my machine.  Page 32 of the manual speaks to adjusting the friction wheel.  I will call John Deere and see if they have an owner's manual on line for this unit.  So far, I have been unable to locate one. 

    Called JD in the middle of this response and just got off of the phone with them.  While they don't have the owner's manual for this unit available on line, the nice customer service person emailed me a pdf file of the owners manual.  I like to search for things electronically besides having the hard copy available.  You can request a copy of the pdf by calling 888-228-3068 and asking for it to be emailed to you. 

    After I asked for an electronic version of the owners manual I asked about what makes some of this units slip to see what the snow thrower specialist thought.  They said that the friction wheel needed adjustment and that the directions for that are available on page 32 of the manual. 

    I hope this was of some help.

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