Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

Is there a rhyme or reason to the size of the belt in the part number? I need a one inch bigger than the one I have for a custom application. Can I use a heavy duty automotive belt?

I have 2 Ariens machine. They both use fractional sized belts. I avoid automobile belts because they are not designed for a slip clutch application IMO. I would not want the auger turning intermittantly without warning. I found OPE belts that are real close to the original belt size at 1/3 the cost but expect that I will have to play with the idler adjustment pulley to get the auger or drive wheels to engage properly.  

70chevrolet wrote:
Gates Rubber has a fitment  guide on their website.

Well for my application, I am not going to be able to use an original ariens belt. I just cant get the right size. Would anyone please offer another brand that would fare well in this application and work well with the slip clutch...

Thanks.

Here is a place that sells kevlar belts. They should work fine.

http://www.rustrepair.com/LAWN_MOWER_PARTS/onlinecat.htm?r=fr&p=MP-BELTS-BE.12KEV

Hey thanks for that link. I placed an order for a 41". I am pretty sure that will work as I have tried a 39.5" (tec factory belt # 72086) and an aftermarket 43". I've only got 41" and 42" left to go. I cant wait to throw snow. 12 horse motor and 24" auger I am hoping for 50 feet.

My understanding is that automotive belts will wear out extremely quickly and aren't worth the effort. Belts designed for snowblowers are made with a layer of kevlar and don't stretch. The only reason you have to adjust the belt tension is because the inner rubber wears and the inside diameter of the belt increases.

I thought v-belts NEVER rested on the inside diameter (bottom) track if they fit properly, else they would tend to slip.

I also believe besides the belt length and type of material (kevlar) the profile is critical in order to fit the pulley properly. 

The "v" angle differs in the type of application.

I bought an aftermarket "True Blue" kevlar belt  that seemed to fit the application I needed. When I compared it to the original Ariens belt,  the height (thickness) of the belt was about 1/8 inch less. It will work, but it is not as strong and may not last as long. The belt was $6.95 as opposed to $21.00. BUT.....if you have sooner "downtime" and consider labor, the cheapie may not be worth it. 

I did run across a quality belt made by Rotary Corp. Rotary Corp's dealer "finder" at their site is not working properly but I hope to buy some belts from them in the future.

I would like noting more than to use a factory ariens belt, but nobody can give me a listing of the lengths that are availible. Th ariens belts have a 17/32 top and a 7/32 bottom where as replacement belts are listed as 1/2 inch...which means 16/32 at top and 9/32 at the bottom. so overall they differ by 1/8 in width. Length is another story. Ariens only offers a few lenghts that are listed. Some are listed with part numbers but no length.Replacement belts list belts in one inch increments. I have found a few replacement 1/2 inch belts that list oddball lengths. Scag offers a 1/2" x 40 1/2" and then greenshoes offers a snapper belt that is 1/2" x 41 3/4".. once I get the length right, then I can hassle ariens to try and find me a belt that is close enough to work. Hell, I'll even change the size of the idler pulley if I have to. But you never know, the aftermarket belt might work just as well when I get it on there. I'll keep the board posted as soon as I get some more info.

just an FYI..I almost found out the hard way. Some manufacures measure the diameter of a v-belt on the inside and some do it on the outside. Ariens uses the OD. 

Most v belts measure the OD

70chevrolet wrote:

I'm not sure where the "OD" information is coming from; belt sizes are always spec'd by effective length which is a theoretical length at the pitch line. The measurment is calculated from equipment that uses standardized inspection pulleys and a specified weight for tension.

70chev, let me know what length your looking for and I'll let you know the closest 2 or 3 Ariens belts. Be sure to include your application and other requirements (cogged, raw edge, wrapped, cord construction, application, etc.).

Most off-the-shelf aftermarket belts are typically of very good construction, almost always Aramid cord, usually wrapped, and available in 1/2" effective legnth increments. They are general purpose and intended to work in as many applications as possible, hence they are versatile and strong. My guess is the thickness is spec'd thinner than a normal belt again due to versatility. A belt with a thick section will crack and fail quickly on a pulley that has a very small diameter.

Please do note that when using these types of belts that the clutch cover stock likely will reduce performance on a attachment/impeller drive application. Units with very high capacity and throwing distance will slip a clutch cover belt. Raw edge Aramid cord belts are best for attachment/impeller drives (you will hear a chirp when the clutch is engaged). Also, length is particularly critical for attachment/impeller drives to maintain full adjustment and also ensure the safety mechanisms work properly (brake, belt fingers, etc.). I would not advise using aftermarket belts on attachment/impeller drives for these reasons. Ariens' tolerance on these belts is typically .180" to .240" total tolerance on effective length.

PK

If you have a fixed idler pulley (non adjustable type) then a factory belt must be used. If you have an adjustable idler with ample adjustability, then an aftermarket belt should be ok. I use Gates OPE Green belts & Napa's - both of which I have had very good results with. They hold up well & provide excellent performance. Just my 2 pennies...

Marty

newjerseybt wrote:
You are correct about the inside diameter of the belt, I was actuallly reffering to the material inside of the outter diamter where the belt contacts the pulleys. In particular the "V" shaped sides. As they wear the belt gets looser but the length of the belt stays the same. The belt isn't stretching even though it is looser.

I just tried an Oregon Prenmium aramid cord belt (75-441) which is 1/2"x41".... It is almost a perfect match. It is just the slightest, almost not worth mentioning, tiny bit on the tight side. But if I get any wear what so ever, the idler pulley still has full adjustment. So I guess it's perfect. If anyone can match an Ariens belt to anywhere between 41" and  411/2" then I would be lookng pretty, not that I'm not already with my new machine and all. Snowman, I know you mentioned that you maybe had a listing for Ariens sizes.  I am so lucky...... I went from this:





TO THIS !







    I forget who said it but yes, the wheels do stick out past the auger. The chute maybe looks a bit stubby. All in time.....The only ariens ST1224 that I know of.!!

07213200 is the only one that's close.

41.5" effective legnth, 4L section, raw edge, Aramid cord, neutral axis, 100% Chloroprene rubbers.

PK

Impressive....You have information that could not be ascertained by vising multiple authorized dealers and even by calling the Ariens Warranty sevrice department.... Thanks for that information.

ARIENS BELTS LISTING
OEM	Part Number	Length	Width
ARIENS	01203800	53	.5
ARIENS	01209600	50	.5
ARIENS	01725469	35	.5
ARIENS	07202400	29	.5
ARIENS	07202600	41	.625
ARIENS	07202900	49	.625
ARIENS	07203100	28	.375
ARIENS	07203800	36	.5
ARIENS	07204000	39	.375
ARIENS	07204200	33	.375
ARIENS	07204300	32	.375
ARIENS	07204400	49	.625
ARIENS	07204500	36	.625
ARIENS	07204600	31	.375
ARIENS	07204700	36	.375
ARIENS	07204700	35.5	.375
ARIENS	07204800	28	.375
ARIENS	07204900	47	.625
ARIENS	07205000	44	.625
ARIENS	07205200	69	.625
ARIENS	07205300	48	.625
ARIENS	07205500	39	.375
ARIENS	07205600	32	.5
ARIENS	07205600	32	.5
ARIENS	07205700	66	.625
ARIENS	07205900	43	.625
ARIENS	07206000	28	.5
ARIENS	07206100	37	.5
ARIENS	07206200	48	.5
ARIENS	07206500	36	.5
ARIENS	07206600	33.5	.375
ARIENS	07206600	34	.375
ARIENS	07206700	37	.5
ARIENS	07206900	41	.625
ARIENS	07207000	46	.625
ARIENS	07207100	38	.5
ARIENS	07207200	37	.5
ARIENS	07207300	28	.375
ARIENS	07207500	55	.5
ARIENS	07207600	35	.5
ARIENS	07207700	51	.5
ARIENS	07207800	77	.5
ARIENS	07208000	89	.5
ARIENS	07208100	105	.5
ARIENS	07208200	29	.375
ARIENS	07208300	36	.5
ARIENS	07208400	30	.375
ARIENS	07208500	32	.375
ARIENS	07208600	40	.5
ARIENS	07208600	39.5	.5
ARIENS	07208700	48	.625
ARIENS	07208800	22	.375
ARIENS	07208900	36	.5
ARIENS	07209000	33	.625
ARIENS	07209100	48	.5
ARIENS	07209300	31	.5
ARIENS	07209400	27	.375
ARIENS	07209500	46	.5
ARIENS	07209600	50	.5
ARIENS	07209700	26	.375
ARIENS	07209800	33	.375
ARIENS	07209900	31	.375
ARIENS	07210000	36	.5
ARIENS	07210100	58	.5
ARIENS	07210200	75	.5
ARIENS	07210300	89	.5
ARIENS	07210500	37	.5
ARIENS	07210600	37	.375
ARIENS	07210700	34	.375
ARIENS	07210800	36	.5
ARIENS	07210800	36.5	.5
ARIENS	07210900	32	.5
ARIENS	07211000	71	.5
ARIENS	07211100	34	.5
ARIENS	07211200	35	.375
ARIENS	07211300	64.5	.5
ARIENS	07211300	65	.5
ARIENS	07211400	34.75	.5
ARIENS	07211400	34	.5
ARIENS	07211500	67	.5
ARIENS	07211600	71	.5
ARIENS	07211700	30	.5
ARIENS	07211800	47	.5
ARIENS	07211800	47	.5
ARIENS	07211900	30	.5
ARIENS	07212100	34	.5
ARIENS	07212200	72	.5
ARIENS	07212300	52	.5
ARIENS	07212400	65	.5
ARIENS	07212500	21	.5
ARIENS	07212600	36	.375
ARIENS	07212700	41	.375
ARIENS	07212800	63	.5
ARIENS	07213000	39	.5
ARIENS	07213100	36	.375
ARIENS	07213200	42	.5
ARIENS	07213400	33	.625
ARIENS	07213500	68	.5
ARIENS	07213600	51	.5
ARIENS	07213700	31	.5
ARIENS	07213800	33	.375
ARIENS	07213900	96	.5
ARIENS	07214200	34	.5
ARIENS	07214400	89	.5
ARIENS	07214800	58	.5
ARIENS	07215500	65	.5
ARIENS	07215600	35	.5
ARIENS	07215700	36	.375
ARIENS	07215900	24	.375
ARIENS	07216100	73	.5
ARIENS	07216200	64	.5
ARIENS	07216300	64	.5
ARIENS	07216900	65	.5
ARIENS	07216900	64.5	.5
ARIENS	07217100	32.125	.375
ARIENS	07219200	39	.5
ARIENS	07224000	28	.375
ARIENS	07224100	27	.375
ARIENS	07225200	37	.375
ARIENS	17207100	38	.5

Holy Sh*t .... Thats paydirt.

Note to self:
1. Print
2. Laminate
3. Insert as a page in repait manual.

Thanks Solara!

This kind of stuff is hard to find!

If you can find a dealer that sells "Rotary" OPE belts, you might find one that is close in length at half the price.

info came from  a link from the following site:

http://www.johnfvining.com/

has links to all sorts of manufactures and parts info.

Learned about it from someone on this site that posted it months ago.

Dear Solara et al,

There's lots more belts info at http://www.johnfvining.com but please don't copy and paste the whole page at a time. It's there for your free use. If you wish to refer to info found there you should describe what it is and provide a link to it.

Thanks,

John

http://www.johnfvining.com