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Joined: Feb 4, 2005
Points: 4

An Apology from SnowRemover
Original Message   Feb 18, 2005 9:31 am
Normally an apology is a simple thing.  Admit wrong doing and ask for forgiveness.  In this particular case I think that would be a mistake without explaining my short history here at AbbysGuide and how I’ve changed during that time.

I came here in mid-January, 2005 asking for help in buying a snow blower.  Many people went out of their way to give me their thoughts and opinions.  In return for their work, I responded with harshness, skepticism, and crassness.  I wanted more information from these people and somehow felt they owed me, when in truth it was I who was in debt to them.

After about a week the moderators decided to take some action – specifically ChrisS who publicly warned me.  Warned ME!  How dare he, I thought, I’m SnowRemover.  Instead of taking the warning to heart, I responded in a defensive manner.  More specifically, how a pre-adolescent responds to an adult who always gives in to every temper tantrum.

At this point, I’d be lying if I told you I thought I had done anything wrong.  In fact, I believed myself to be the beacon on a hill, not an instigator of arguments.  After a few days of being non-argumentative, I found myself without the capability of replying to a topic, or starting a new one.  Most logical and decent people would have taken this as a wake up call and asked what needed to be done to make amends – but not ME!  No, I am SnowRemover and I pushed back hard, writing off Private Messages to ChrisS and Marshall demanding my posting rights.  When this failed, I even threatened to come on this site with multiple identities should they not reinstitute my privileges.

To their credit, the moderators stood their ground.  To my discredit, I followed through with my plan.  I created multiple identities on the site, forcing the mods to ban these user names and the administrator (Peter) to lock out my IP Address.

Yet again, the message “You’re a jerk” was getting through.  I was SnowRemover, and I can spoof IP addresses and get around these locks.  And so I did, getting more user names, flaunting my prowess and believing I was better than the moderators on the site, better than the administrator and better than the users.

I came back as different users, but found myself, at times needing real advice.  Found myself needing AbbysGuide and its collective wisdom.  I wish I could say I had an epiphanic moment, when the light clicked on in my head and I suddenly realized what a fool I’d been, but that wasn’t the case.  It was more of a long term realization, where each day I found myself more resentful that my posts were being removed and my new identities banned, but not resentful at the mods or the administrator, instead at myself. 

If I was the great SnowRemover, why did I keep coming back here?  Why did I need your advice?  How could someone who is better than all others, need those people.  These were the questions that stewed in my head the last ten days.

And here I am, today, asking for your forgiveness.  A forgiveness that, if the shoe be on the other foot, only a few short days ago, I would not return to you.  That is the position I’m in today, asking once again for your generosity and sympathy, which I’ve already taken, used and scorned before.

The moderators here have been good enough to allow me to post this apology to you, the users, to the moderators and the administrator.  I ask for your forgiveness.

Sincerely,
SnowRemover

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faithfulFrank


He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep
to gain what he cannot lose....


Location: Batavia, N.Y.
Joined: Jan 20, 2004
Points: 1067

Re: An Apology from SnowRemover
Reply #35   Feb 21, 2005 8:35 am
Since we are still way below 70 x 7............welcome back!
I look forward to your productive posts.....

Frank D.

Ariens 1332DLE Pro, Exmark 52" HP ZTR, Gardian Generac generator, Shindiawa T230  Excell/Honda PW, Craftsman rototiller, Favorite IPE- My Mac + Ipod- No Windoze for me!
skyking3


Joined: Nov 14, 2002
Points: 217

Re: An Apology from SnowRemover
Reply #36   Feb 21, 2005 1:57 pm
nicely written apology.........................

welcome back.........................

bill

Mang


Location: zone 6
Joined: Dec 14, 2004
Points: 119

Re: An Apology from SnowRemover
Reply #37   Feb 21, 2005 4:28 pm
sure let him back,  we can allways ban him again , and then let him back again.
AJace


I have an Ariens 926 Pro because I like Orange



Location: Near Gettysburg
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Re: An Apology from SnowRemover
Reply #38   Feb 21, 2005 6:31 pm
Frank, is that a new expression for He double-hockey sticks? 

Ariens 926 DLE Professional; Toro S200; Craftsman LT1000, Echo ES-230;

ChrisS


Appreciate what you have already been blessed with.


Joined: Sep 16, 2002
Points: 2793

Re: An Apology from SnowRemover
Reply #39   Feb 21, 2005 6:40 pm
He is refering to Mattew Chapter 18 verse 22.  70 X7 times is the number of times Jesus tells us we must forgive our brothers who do wrong against us.

Well said Frank.....

C

Honda 928TA, Ariens 924 STE, Toro single stage S-620, 95 Jeep Wrangler with a 6 foot Fisher Plow, many shovels, one 14 year old boy.  Craftsman 01 1000 LTX pimp Gold LT 20hp Briggs OHV V-twin.  Tough as it is ugly.
Walt


Do what you can, with what you have, where you are. -T. Roosevelt

Location: Chester County, PA
Joined: Dec 31, 2004
Points: 148

Re: An Apology from SnowRemover
Reply #40   Feb 21, 2005 6:58 pm
SnowRemover,

Welcome.

Walt

ChicoInDemand


Joined: Feb 22, 2005
Points: 1

Re: An Apology from SnowRemover
Reply #41   Feb 22, 2005 10:24 am
I'm not much of a poster, but I do read the boards often and did decide on my Craftsman 88775 and my leaf blower after reading many discussions here the past two years. I am appreciative of the time and effort it takes users to post good info here and I also appreciate the time and efforts the moderators must have to put in to keep it all going. After reading the apology, I'm also glad to see that SnowRemover has been let back in. Everyone deserves a fresh start as long as no one got physically hurt. With that being said, what about someone like Chopper who was banned from the old board? I don't recall his postings to be any worse that what we have gone through with SnowRemover but he too had a couple of user names going and I believe that was what ultimately enraged the moderators. It seems we were all extremely hard on him and even went into discussions (and diagnosis) of what we perceived as his mental problems. In the end I believe it was he who raised the question as to why this board continually gave high praise and kudos to top end machines like Honda and Ariens and spoke negatively about MTD and Murray. The debate got heated and he got banned. In the spirit of Niceativity that seems to be flowing here at the new board, I ask...Can't we all just get along? Yes he was sometimes a pain in the arse, but on many topics I thought he was right on target and actually had scientific backing for some of his arguments. Would an apology get him back? Is that going to become standard operating policy? Just curious.
TheKneebiter


Joined: Oct 22, 2004
Points: 233

Re: An Apology from SnowRemover
Reply #42   Feb 22, 2005 10:56 am
If you ban him again he might end up moving to sirius radio.  Im sure someone out here will understand this.

jubol


Location: Dover, De
Joined: Oct 3, 2003
Points: 1558

Re: An Apology from SnowRemover
Reply #43   Feb 22, 2005 11:01 am
  Knee,

             Are you saying he can maybe join Howard Stern!!

                                                 Fred  

Husqvarna STE927(11.5HP) snowblower,  MTD Pro Series 18/42 Lawnmower, MTD 6.5 HP  Self Prop Lawn Mower,  Weedeater 1500 Blower, Web Gensis  2000 
ChrisS


Appreciate what you have already been blessed with.


Joined: Sep 16, 2002
Points: 2793

Re: An Apology from SnowRemover
Reply #44   Feb 22, 2005 11:38 am
If he asked we would consider it as we have with SnowRemover.

In the end though rememer this, we moderators don't come here daily and spend our precious time looking to edit or ban people.  If a person IS edited or banned they have been warned many times before that happens.  By rights when that time does come we have no obligtion to let that person back on. 

C

Honda 928TA, Ariens 924 STE, Toro single stage S-620, 95 Jeep Wrangler with a 6 foot Fisher Plow, many shovels, one 14 year old boy.  Craftsman 01 1000 LTX pimp Gold LT 20hp Briggs OHV V-twin.  Tough as it is ugly.
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