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tvlodek


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Does anyone know how I can replace Ariens aluminum gearbox with old-style helicon gearbox?
Original Message   Jan 4, 2010 12:21 pm
I have an Ariens 924040 with an aluminum gearbox that just failed.  I've heard the old style helicon gearboxes were vastly superior to these and even the new cast iron boxes on the Pro models.  Can anyone tell me what is required to install one in my machine?  A fellow told me it might be as simple as drilling another hole for a roll pin, I can't rememeber if it was through the shaft to fit the 924040 impeller or vice versa.  Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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tvlodek


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Re: Does anyone know how I can replace Ariens aluminum gearbox with old-style helicon gearbox?
Reply #5   Jan 5, 2010 12:10 pm
Snowmann,

A fellow told me you would have to drill an additional hole in the shaft 3/4" from the other hole, that would correct the cross shaft center distance.  He didn't mention anything about the key for the pulley so I don't know if there would be any problems there.  But I don't have access to a machine shop anymore so it's easier to just buy the right parts.    I really just want my machine to be 100% reliable.  In the last storm, we got over a foot, I plowed 15 feet before the gearbox bit the dust, then apent the next 5 hours shoveling.  I just want to make sure that never happens again.

trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
Joined: Dec 8, 2007
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Re: Does anyone know how I can replace Ariens aluminum gearbox with old-style helicon gearbox?
Reply #6   Jan 5, 2010 12:17 pm

>>I hadn't given much consideration to repairing the gearbox as I was so disgusted with how this one failed, I immediately swore to replace it with a cast iron one.  

   Yep, it’s aluminum but the Ariens from those years are ok and without abuse easily last 20-25 years. 

>>I would have thought a shear bolt would break, not a dowel pin or whatever failed internally.

Often they are keyed or have a dowel pin that breaks.  The ones I’ve opened on 924’s have a dowel shear pin through a collar on the side of the gear.  If you have not opened up your gearbox how do you know the pin is not broken?  Is the case cracked? 

Sometimes the gears do break and cases crack but chances are decent it could only be the shear pin.  I fixed one two weeks ago on a mid-80’s machine.  The gear was fine and plenty of meat on the teeth to last another 15-20 years.  The fix was a few bucks but I put in new parts just because it was apart and the parts not so expensive.

>>One possibility is to swap out the whole complete assembly of a 24 inch round nose

>>you mentioned about replacing the entire assembly with a round nose type from a 9240 -26, 28, 32 machine, that seems like it would definitely work.  

Check the drawings for those models at the Ariens site.  They looked like a swap to me. 

Since you have a running machine you could hold out for a junker on Craigslist and swap out the whole bucket. It would be another unknown but they are decent gearboxes.  You just have bad Karma.

>>You mentioned the CI replacement runs anywhere from $199 to $375, do you have any idea who would have this for $199?  I was only able to find one at Jacks small engines for $250. 

Snowman said a list of $180 but I have not seen that price.  I’m helping a guy online who is swapping out his and checked prices and so did he.  The best we came up with is $199 from Boston Lawnmower in Westboro, MA.  That’s right off 495 on route 9 if your in northern CT.   Dealer suggested prices are high enough but evidently the dealers are adding quite a bit of pork onto the $180.

 

 

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tvlodek


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Re: Does anyone know how I can replace Ariens aluminum gearbox with old-style helicon gearbox?
Reply #7   Jan 5, 2010 4:46 pm
>>Often they are keyed or have a dowel pin that breaks.  The ones I’ve opened on 924’s have a dowel shear pin through a collar on the side of the gear.  If you have not opened up your gearbox how do you know the pin is not broken?  Is the case cracked? 

No, from the outside, it looks like new.  I started working on it just a while ago, I should know later this evening. 

>>Sometimes the gears do break and cases crack but chances are decent it could only be the shear pin.  I fixed one two weeks ago on a mid-80’s machine.  The gear was fine and plenty of meat on the teeth to last another 15-20 years.  The fix was a few bucks but I put in new parts just because it was apart and the parts not so expensive.

Judging from your experience, I'll probably just try to fix it, assuming it's only a broken pin and the gears are in good shape.  I'm just a bit soured since this is the second gearbox I've had fail in 3 years, the last time was on a Murray, of course I couldn't get parts.  Definitely bad karma.....

For anyone else that might need a new gearbox, I found it at Replacement Commercial Parts Warehouse in Ohio for $182 and change.

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