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fatty9009


Joined: Sep 26, 2009
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Husqvarna 14527SB-LS - OPINIONS PLEASE
Original Message   Sep 27, 2009 7:37 pm
is this a quality product.......or would i be better off for a few hundred, going with the 28" toro powermax?
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mikiewest


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Re: Husqvarna 14527SB-LS - OPINIONS PLEASE
Reply #9   Sep 30, 2009 8:30 pm
that's strange because toro did have problems with their plastic in the beginning.It was cracking and there was a recall on their machines.The dealer told me.And I'm referring to the frame being steel and the chute etc.Like I said,steel doesnt crack,plastic does.And you cant convince me that the plastic chute rotator is more robust than my chute rotator/deflector.
Snowmann


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Re: Husqvarna 14527SB-LS - OPINIONS PLEASE
Reply #10   Sep 30, 2009 9:51 pm
The Toro PowerMax discharge chutes are made from HDPE and have no Teflon content. They (and other PowerMax plastic parts) were made from a different polymer material when the problems ocurred on early models.
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Snowmann


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Re: Husqvarna 14527SB-LS - OPINIONS PLEASE
Reply #11   Sep 30, 2009 11:44 pm
ajallen wrote:
What the case is made of is not as important as the gears. Snapper/Simplicity uses a 1/4" shear pin. Ariens uses a prestressed shear bolt (read will break easer). Toro uses a 5/16" grade 5 bolt in their large frame Power Max Models. If you use an after market shear bolt in an Ariens and something should happen to the gear case or the gears Ariens will deny the warranty (they have special markings on their shear bolts). The Toro gear case auger shaft is 1" and is the full width of the machine & a 7/8" input shaft almost bullet proof. I'm not saying that you can't damage a Toro gear case but it is a lot harder to do. All of the other's just don't compare and that includes Honda.

AJ


The term you are searching for on the Ariens shear bolts is "stress relieved", not "pre-stressed". It is an annealing process to eliminate hard spots in the steel caused by the carbon content. It provides for a very repeatable and predictable shear. The Ariens Deluxe XS and Pro gear cases can easily shear the Gr5 bolts the Toro uses. They'll also snub 13hp engines if the shear bolts fail or the augers seize to the shaft. Throw some grade 8 aircraft bolts in and this will be the case (and yes, the warranty will then be void as with any non Ariens prescribed OEM shear bolt). However, just because you can put a gun on safety doesn't mean you point it at your head when you clean it, if you get my drift. A gear case replacement will metaphorically have the same painful consequence (financially) on the off-chance something fails and the warranty is expired or voided.

That said, the Toro gear case is hardly "without equal". The comparable Ariens models (XS Deluxe and Pro) use a similar sized alloy steel gear, similar 4 lead worm, similar use of EP/GL rated gear oils (versus less capable grease), similar ~1/4" casting wall, and identical diameter 7/8" input shaft and 1" output shaft. The Ariens also has a true worm/worm gear mesh where the Toro uses a worm/helical gear setup to make it easier to manufacture. You can PM mold helical teeth, but a true worm gear has to be machined (which is more difficult with a steel gear, versus the more common free-machining bronze gear). The less-than-ideal gear mesh present on the Toro creates higher localized tooth stresses (sliding point contact instead of line contact). The Ariens also uses an asynchronous "hunting tooth" design which causes the teeth to break-in over time to mate perfectly for longer life, and, in this particular case, boosts the ratio for increased capacity (39T w/4 leads versus 40T w/4 leads). This feature also further reduces tooth stress, reduces operating oil temperature, and lessens the burden on the oil's EP additives.

The top-line Simplicity gear cases are a tier below these with 2 lead worms, relatively small diameter bronze worm gears, and smaller 3/4" input shafts (hidden under some rather enlarging plastic sleeves). If you run the math on these the load carrying capability is down ~30% when compared to the equivalent Ariens gear case. The aluminum versions go without auger shaft bushings (shafts run on the housing casting) and the cast iron versions use grease instead of gear oil. They do use a "hunting tooth" design, but with 21 teeth and a 2 lead worm they effectively reduce auger RPM's when compared to others (with equal impeller speed). Given that impellers are always the capacity bottleneck, this is less desirable. These gear cases are not known to be problematic in either version (that I'm aware of). I'm not sure about the Murray style gear boxes that go on the L1226E and the Intermediate series (and the comparable Snapper bretherin), but they're probably another tier below. The questionable application in my mind is the use of the Murray/Brute style auge gear box on the 2009 L1226E with the 14" augers (this gear box has historically run only 12" augers).

The mainstream MTD's are at the bottom from a pure specification standpoint. Very small diameter bronze gears, 2 lead worms, 3/4" input and output shafts, and grease lube with no apparent serviceability capability of the lubricant. EP/GL gear oils are far better functionally but higher viscosity grease is easier to seal which is probably why there is no fill point on these.
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aa335


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Re: Husqvarna 14527SB-LS - OPINIONS PLEASE
Reply #12   Oct 1, 2009 7:24 pm
mikiewest wrote:
that's strange because toro did have problems with their plastic in the beginning.It was cracking and there was a recall on their machines.The dealer told me.And I'm referring to the frame being steel and the chute etc.Like I said,steel doesnt crack,plastic does.And you cant convince me that the plastic chute rotator is more robust than my chute rotator/deflector.

There are many variables going into making a plastic part. Having problems with plastics initially is not unusual, and expected by the designers and molders. This should not prematurely fault on plastics in general. Anecdotal failures only gives us the occurence/frequency of failures. Robustness has little to do with the material itself. There are many robust designs that are lightweight and plastic. Look around. I will leave it up to you to be enlightened or call it a day.
mikiewest


Joined: Dec 29, 2007
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Re: Husqvarna 14527SB-LS - OPINIONS PLEASE
Reply #13   Oct 1, 2009 7:38 pm
yes you have enlightened me.Plastic doesnt crack and is stronger than steel.Are you for real?Guess what steel doesnt crack in the initial stages or ever .I guess snowmann put u(AA) and ajallen in your places about the Toro auger gear case being better than the rest.Thats the problem AA.You think you know but snowmann does know.....
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aa335


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Re: Husqvarna 14527SB-LS - OPINIONS PLEASE
Reply #14   Oct 1, 2009 8:38 pm
Hmmm...
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JoelKlein


I wonder how a 2021 snow blower will look like...

Joined: Sep 26, 2011
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Re: Husqvarna 14527SB-LS - OPINIONS PLEASE
Reply #15   Oct 2, 2011 2:12 am
I'm reading and reading... But what about the " Husqvarna?" is the 14527 as good or better as the toro/ Ariens ?

Toro 1028 OXE
stresst


Location: The Village in the Middle of New York
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Re: Husqvarna 14527SB-LS - OPINIONS PLEASE
Reply #16   Oct 2, 2011 9:54 pm
I am slightly leaning toward this unit as well over the Toro 1028OXE. The Husky has the same steering settup but with a larger engine and it a bit narrower. Even snow blowers direct like the the Husky over the Toro!
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TORO 826OXE
JoelKlein


I wonder how a 2021 snow blower will look like...

Joined: Sep 26, 2011
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Re: Husqvarna 14527SB-LS - OPINIONS PLEASE
Reply #17   Oct 3, 2011 12:21 pm
get the huskvarna 14527-XLE. its only true dealers. its a monster with all the goodies...

Toro 1028 OXE
Bill_H


Location: Maine
Joined: Jan 12, 2008
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Re: Husqvarna 14527SB-LS - OPINIONS PLEASE
Reply #18   Oct 3, 2011 9:27 pm
mikiewest wrote:
Guess what steel doesnt crack in the initial stages or ever .


Getting a bit carried away there. Steel cracks.

Who the hell let all the morning people run things?
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