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Re: Panasonic MC-CG917 looking for replacement part.
#1   Jan 11, 2018 5:37 pm
The connection in the swivel neck of the power nozzle is common to about a million Kenmore Powermates. Panasonic made most Kenmore canister vacuums. Now a company called Cleva Industrial makes them but that part has not changed. Search ebay under "Panasonic vacuum parts" or under "Kenmore vacuum parts" and I almost guarantee the parts you need are available. When you take your power nozzle apart, take lots of digital photos of how the wiring is routed and what wires attach to what. Save them to guide you on reassembly. There are two screws underneath the power nozzle. Once those are out, the cover is held to the bottom half with four snaps, one on each side and two at the rear. Tip the swivel neck back 45 degrees and rotate the upper cover towards the front. You can see the wiring you have to remove with the cover off. Not a big deal, just take your time and take lots of pictures as you work.
Re: Time for a new vacuum?
#2   Jan 10, 2018 8:55 pm
Depends. A vacuum will lose performance if not well cared for. Do you always use a cloth HEPA dust bag? Do you replace the pre-motor filter every sixth bag change? Do you inspect the exhaust filter at bag changes and change it when it is dirty? Dirt gets past a paper bag, leading to clogged filters, dust accumulation in the motor, loss of airflow and eventually an overheated motor. You can kill the best vacuum made by neglecting proper maintenance. In general Dysons do not have more cleaning power than Riccar or Simplicity vacuums and Dyson brush rolls are terrible. They are just plastic, use them hard and the plastic overheats and either melts or warps. Riccar and Simplicity use excellent steel or sometimes wooden brush rolls that are impervious to heat build up. Dysons also get brittle over time and their filters start to clog up with every use after about six months. A final thought, what you saw is what door to door sales people use to get you to part with a couple of thousand bucks to buy a new vacuum you don't really need. No vacuum gets everything up on the first pass (and you had a full day of dirt accumulation between using the Riccar and the Die-soon. When a door to door salesman comes in and vacuums your carpet with his machine, the whole point is to alarm you, oh look how much dirt your vacuum misses and look how much mine found. Here is the deal, the vacuum that goes first always looses. Always. I don't care which two you test, the machine that goes second always finds something the first missed. Don't get excited about this. Make sure your current machine is clean inside. Make sure the filters are fresh and you use a good cloth HEPA dust bag. If you have an air compressor or access to one, remove the bag and filters, blow all the dust and crud out of the bag chamber, then blow air through the motor. Put the nozzle into the opening behind where the pre motor filter was and blow any dirt out of the motor. The dust will come out from where the exhaust filter was. When you have removed all the dust (I disassemble machines and wash them but this is beyond what most owners can do) replace the filters and bags with new parts and see how the machine performs. Oh, make sure you have no clogs in the hose or power nozzle. Mahalo
Re: Riccar vs. Sebo vs. Miele vs. Simplicity
#3   Jan 10, 2018 7:02 pm
There are probably two ways you can go. The successor to Electrolux USA is called Aerus Lux. What is now sold as an Electrolux is made by the original Swedish parent company and is nothing more than a rebranded Eureka. Kludge. Electrolux USA split off from their Swedish parent before WWII and has been a separate entity with it's own products like yours. The original US owner of Electrolux USA was Sara Lee of all things. They decided to get out of the vacuum business in 2000 and sold that division to an investor who renamed it Aerus LLC. They still sell two of the older Electrolux canisters, the Lux Legacy and Lux Classic. These are plastic bodied but robust and very well made. They have been in production since the late 1980s having replaced the last steel bodied canisters. You can use your existing floor brushes with the Lux Classic, which retains traditional old style Lux wands and hoses while the Lux Legacy uses a more modern wand and hose design. There is a top of the line Lux Guardian Platinum that is a mixture of a heavy duty plastic body with some stainless steel panels. The Classic and Legacy are made in the US, the Guardian Platinum is made in Hungary and is also sold around the world under different names. All of these use the C bag you probably use now, though I suggest using the cloth HEPA version sold by a company called "Perfect". And this is a perfect time to segue into their products, which are Chinese made copies of old Electrolux canisters with exceptionally powerful Ametek motors in them. The Perfect C101 is a very close copy of the last steel bodied Lux canister the Marquis. The Perfect C103 is a copy of the Lux Classic with the same ridiculously powerful Ametek motor found in the C101. You can use your old floor brushes, attachments and wands with these. So you can buy a new Aerus Lux from the successor to Electrolux USA or you can buy the Chinese copy of the older steel bodied Electrolux canisters. None of the other brands you mention make a steel bodied vacuum. All of these are fine machines with a lot more power than your old Lux has though I think Miele, Simplicity and Riccar are all overpriced, and most are made in China btw. Only the top of the line canisters from Simplicity and Riccar are made in the US. The rest are Chinese made. Sebo is still German but all the new Mieles I see are now made in China. Miele has terrible attachments and the dust bag is tiny. Tristar is a metal bodied canister vacuum, but the metal is an aluminum-magnesium alloy. They are owned by the same fellow who owns Aerus Lux and they share hoses, power nozzles, suction motors and attachments with some minor changes for the peculiarities of Tristar vacuums. They have no cord winder, you stand the canister on end and wind the cord around the belly. There is no attachment storage, you place them on the wand. They are sold door to door and are overpriced. There are two Tristar copies out there, both being made by former Tristar distributors. These are Miracle Mate from Canada and Patriot made by Schoettler Research and Engineering of California. These have less powerful motors and are even more ridiculously overpriced than Tristar, though Miracle Mate boasts a retractable cord (woo-hoo). There is Filter Queen but they are not much more than a fancy shop vac and a darned expensive one with a weird filter system that is prone to clogging and you have to dump the bucket out like a shop vac. No bag (no bueno). Or maybe find one of the last metal bodied Electrolux canisters like a Silverado Deluxe or Marquis that has been professionally refurbished. You can find these on ebay and from some mom and pop vacuum shops.
Re: Hello! Looking for a new vacuum.
#4   Dec 5, 2017 3:59 pm
For as much money as a Miele costs, they do not have the raw cleaning power of a Kenmore Elite. I measure vacuum suction with a suction guage marked in inches of water lift, which is how the vacuum industry measure suction. To measure airflow I use this thing called a BAIRD meter that is marked from 0 to 10. It is what Kirby sales people use to compare their machines to what you have in your home so it is biased in that 0 on a BAIRD meter isn't really zero airflow and 10 is around 120 cubic feet per minute (cfm) airflow. A Miele C3 has the same "Vortek" suction motor used in other Miele vacuums for the last several years. Miele only makes the one suction motor for all their vacuums. A brand new C3 generates 82 inches of suction before the bag indicator pops open and releases suction. It pulls my BAIRD meter out to 6.0. The same day I tested a Kenmore budget model Orange canister (now out of production) floor demo on clearance. It pulled 82 inches of suction and 6.5 on my BAIRD. I later bought one from a local K-Mart and it pulls 84 inches of suction and 7.5 on the BAIRD meter. A Kenmore Elite 800 Series canister I tested the same day pulled 92 inches of suction and pegged my BAIRD meter right past 10, so more than 120 cfm. All of these measurements were taken at the end of each canister's hose. It is the most powerful vacuum I have tested. A new Kirby demoed in my home could only pull 9.0 on the BAIRD meter on the end of its hose. You are spending a lot more than you need to buying a Miele. Btw, Miele power nozzles are notoriously poor on American style deep pile carpets. They are fine if you have a shorter pile carpet but they bog down on deep carpets. Same thing for Wessel-Werk power nozzles. As for filtration, Kenmore has an excellent cloth HEPA dust bag for their canisters called the Q bag that can be bought in a package of six for $20.99 from Sears. They have a two stage pre-motor filter with activated charcoal on the back side (something Miele does not have) called the CF-1 filter and they all have HEPA exhaust filters with those on the new 600 series and the Elite 700 and 800 series having a layer of activated charcoal on them. The activated charcoal eliminates exhaust odors.
Re: Are Sebo Vacuums worth the Price?
#5   Oct 15, 2017 5:31 am
Be careful. Yes they are well made but their actual cleaning power is not up to the best in the industry. Also, if you have a soft deep pile carpet you will need to use a special brush roll they sell with green bristles. The original brush roll has hard blue bristles. Soft carpets create enough drag on the brush to fool the belt sensor into thinking there is a jam, at which point the vacuum shuts itself off. Very frustrating. Germans over doing the electronics. The green bristle brush roll solves that problem but you have to buy it separately. The G1 is a pretty old design with no means to turn the brush roll off for above floor cleaning or for cleaning hard floors. The Sebo 370 drives its brush roll with a separate motor that can be turn off. It also has a wider nozzle and the suction inlet is more centered in the nozzle, which makes the suction even across the width of the nozzle. Carpet Pro has more suction and airflow than Sebo (I measure these things) and shrugs off deep pile carpets. They have good attachments and most are now made in the US. My only criticism is that since they are a shameless copy of the original Panasonic Jet Flo design the suction inlet is all the way over on the right side of the nozzle so the left side has less suction than the right. The Sebo G1 has the exact same shortcoming (most modern uprights do, only Aerus Lux, some Electrolux and Sanitaire uprights, Kirby and the metal bodied Royal commercial upright put the suction inlet dead center). Btw, you might want to look at an Aerus Lux upright. They are very good and every bit as durable as a Sebo.
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