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PeteF


Joined: Nov 10, 2010
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Replacement for a Tecumshech OH195SP engine
Original Message   Nov 10, 2010 7:57 pm
In January of 2006 I purchased a Ariens 7524e with a Tecumseh OH195SP-73503C engine.   Last winter one of the oil plugs backed out while I was clearing my driveway and the engine siezed.  The engine is toast.  the body of the Snowblower is in excellent condition so I am trying to find a replacement engine for the blower.  The problem is this engine has the PTO.  Does anyone know of a replacement engine that can be fitted to the body without doing too much fiddling.

Thanks
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trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
Joined: Dec 8, 2007
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Re: Replacement for a Tecumshech OH195SP engine
Reply #6   Nov 12, 2010 9:18 am
PeteF Interesting, Jacks and SEW told me no dual shafts available in that power range. Briggs told me they only made the 6hp I mentioned which is not a winter engine. Google shows a few places listing those engines you posted. I’m going to call Tulsaenginewarehouse and see if it’s really available. - - Bus708: He needs a dual shaft engine. The HF motors are crank only. - - Shryp: Great link. Great repower. The drive pulley was bigger and I think the auger also oversized. He’s got a super setup.
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trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
Joined: Dec 8, 2007
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Re: Replacement for a Tecumshech OH195SP engine
Reply #7   Nov 12, 2010 10:09 am
The second engine you listed I think is no longer being made by Briggs. The 12D393-0018 is a superceeded to number and in production. Weird for Briggs to say they only had a 6hp OHV dual shaft and the rest not being phased out and unavailable. I asked the Tulsa guy if the superceeded engine would be available in the future and he said no problem. Good luck to them on selling any at $500. It's got a cast iron sleeve but no mention of the crank on roller bearings.
Shryp


Location: Cleveland, OH
Joined: Jul 26, 2010
Points: 532

Re: Replacement for a Tecumshech OH195SP engine
Reply #8   Nov 12, 2010 11:13 am
Also, in one of the comments on that guys videos someone mentioned flipping the axles and everything as opposed to just the friction disc and having good results that way too.
Snowmann


Joined: Dec 3, 2003
Points: 494

Re: Replacement for a Tecumshech OH195SP engine
Reply #9   Nov 12, 2010 11:24 am
12R1930110E1 Briggs Powerbuilt Snow 5.5hp (used on 932043)

12D1930111E1 Briggs Powerbuilt Snow 7.5hp (used on 932044)

15A1930118E1 Briggs Powerbuilt Snow 8.5hp (used on 932045)

These are the 3 Briggs engine specs made for the 932,XXX platform. Maybe you could find one of these? There are some small idler mods that would be required to make them work. See the parts manuals. It isn't major.

Also, if your Tecumseh is toast, couldn't you buy a non-camshaft PTO version and swap the cam and PTO cover with your old engine? Hmmm, your cam might be bad though... Trouts?

PK

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trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
Joined: Dec 8, 2007
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Re: Replacement for a Tecumshech OH195SP engine
Reply #10   Nov 12, 2010 7:43 pm
Googling around did not get a hit on those engines. You could try to locate a smashed model of the types Snowmann mentioned. I picked up two dead 932’s with perfect motors. Snowmann: On L-head rod freezes and rod breaks the cam usually survives without injury. I’ve never had one that was bad out of 8 broken engines. I’ve opened up one 11hp OHV with a rod break and the cam was fine. PeteF: In what way is the engine toast? Is it just frozen, rod break, or rod break and case cracked? All of those are possible to repair. When the rod freezes it’s because the rod and crank journal heated up so much the rod (aluminum) meltes and attaches to the steel crank journal. If it keeps trying to turn then it snaps. Worse it snaps and the broken rod flails around in there hitting things or worse blowing a hole in the case wall. If you want to try to fix it then post that and you’ll get help. For a frozen rod or a rod break only where there is no case break or damage inside the fix is fairly easy which is to clean the journal with acid and buy and stick in a new rod. As Snowmann mentioned you could try to get another motor like yours which does not have a PTO and install into it your cam and case cover. I’ve converted three L-head 8hp’s to PTO. It’s fairly simple and you don’t even have to remove the oil while doing it. An OHV would be similar. In fact, many Briggs drawings of PTO engines the drawings have two case covers and two cams, one set for PTO and the other non-PTO. Another option is get a used MTD 8hp. With some minor adjustments you’d have strapping snowblower again. This option would be the cheapest by far. Lots of MTD engines out there.
Snowmann


Joined: Dec 3, 2003
Points: 494

Re: Replacement for a Tecumshech OH195SP engine
Reply #11   Nov 13, 2010 12:03 am
http://cgi.ebay.com/5hp-Tecumseh-Engine-ES-Snow-King-PTO-Shaft-Ariens-/130453336132?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e5f9ff044
PeteF


Joined: Nov 10, 2010
Points: 3

Re: Replacement for a Tecumshech OH195SP engine
Reply #12   Nov 13, 2010 12:33 pm
trouts2 wrote:
Googling around did not get a hit on those engines. You could try to locate a smashed model of the types Snowmann mentioned. I picked up two dead 932’s with perfect motors. Snowmann: On L-head rod freezes and rod breaks the cam usually survives without injury. I’ve never had one that was bad out of 8 broken engines. I’ve opened up one 11hp OHV with a rod break and the cam was fine. PeteF: In what way is the engine toast? Is it just frozen, rod break, or rod break and case cracked? All of those are possible to repair. When the rod freezes it’s because the rod and crank journal heated up so much the rod (aluminum) meltes and attaches to the steel crank journal. If it keeps trying to turn then it snaps. Worse it snaps and the broken rod flails around in there hitting things or worse blowing a hole in the case wall. If you want to try to fix it then post that and you’ll get help. For a frozen rod or a rod break only where there is no case break or damage inside the fix is fairly easy which is to clean the journal with acid and buy and stick in a new rod. As Snowmann mentioned you could try to get another motor like yours which does not have a PTO and install into it your cam and case cover. I’ve converted three L-head 8hp’s to PTO. It’s fairly simple and you don’t even have to remove the oil while doing it. An OHV would be similar. In fact, many Briggs drawings of PTO engines the drawings have two case covers and two cams, one set for PTO and the other non-PTO. Another option is get a used MTD 8hp. With some minor adjustments you’d have strapping snowblower again. This option would be the cheapest by far. Lots of MTD engines out there.
I consider the engine to be toast because shaft won't move AND I can't for the life of me get the case cover off. 
bus708


Location: Maryland
Joined: Jul 24, 2010
Points: 321

Re: Replacement for a Tecumshech OH195SP engine
Reply #13   Nov 13, 2010 2:06 pm
Petef

I found a Techumseh engine for you. It is a OH195SA-72525 7 HP snow king at SMALL ENGINE WAREHOUSE. It does not have a fuel tank.They have 26 engines $260. They also have a OH195SA-72536  7hp snow king  ,same thing with a fuel tank $259, they have 460 in stock. They also have a OH195SA-19566 7hp snow king 160 in stock $239  Free shipping.  I hope this helps
Shryp


Location: Cleveland, OH
Joined: Jul 26, 2010
Points: 532

Re: Replacement for a Tecumshech OH195SP engine
Reply #14   Nov 13, 2010 4:48 pm
I have an old compact 922022 that I was in the process of fitting a 5 HP MTD Tecumseh engine on that also has the reverse PTO.

I then got a good deal on a larger full size blower so stuck that in the back of my shed unfinished.

This thread brought up some ideas about me trying to reverse the transmission and converting it to a Harbor Freight 6.5 and keeping it as a backup blower.

I was looking at the transmission, and noticed the wheel axle and friction disk axles are mated with gears with essentially means they spin in opposite directs as well.

This got me thinking of pulling the 2 gears out and replacing them with sprockets and some chain.  This will make them both spin the same direction and negate the reversed PTO on the original engine.
I will also need to change the pulley from the friction wheel as it was the oldstyle dual 1/4" belts, but that is no problem.  Will also need to add 2 little guides to the top sprocket since it floats on the hex shaft.

I am not sure how your transmission is set up, but this might be an easy way for you to reverse your transmission direction and allow a normal engine to be used.
Snowmann


Joined: Dec 3, 2003
Points: 494

Re: Replacement for a Tecumshech OH195SP engine
Reply #15   Nov 13, 2010 5:24 pm
The problem with reversing the drive would be that the unit is set up to run from the 2:1 reduction reverse cam PTO. If you flipped the drive and ran from the main PTO you'd be running behind the unit as the axle RPM's would be doubled.
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