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Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner (Read 10376 times)
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Reply #290 - 07/08/07 at 7:10pm
 
So are the false statements in this "neutral" review lack of knowledge or purposefully misleading?
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Reply #291 - 07/08/07 at 9:54pm
 
Quote from JimB on 07/08/07 at 7:10pm:
So are the false statements in this "neutral" review lack of knowledge or purposefully misleading?

 
JimB:
 
Unlike you, I find nothing false and purposely misleading in Mark's vacuum reviews of dyson.  Just as I don't impute any motives to a 16 year SEARS vacuum industry professional giving his assessments to me on the brands that he sells.  Quite the contrary, I agree with Mark and SEARS and these opinions and assessments on the particular issue: the DC18's tipsy tendencies.  If you read my Forum postings you see I posted the same findings long long ago.  Long before quoting Mark and SEARS.  I said before I used the DC18, that to me it looked top heavy and prone to fall.  I said however I had to use it before saying for sure.  After I did, I was convinced dyson dropped the 'ball' again and the design is flawed.  Too high a center of gravity giving it a propensity to tip over.
 
And conversely, by logical deduction, I must disagree with you.  Does that make me a liar?  If it does, then Mark and SEARS are both liars too.  Maybe its a mass anti-dyson conspiracy waged by the vacuum industry [indy's, big box retailers, retired vacuum professionals with over 50 years in the business] and across the country against dyson, JimB and the dyson fawners?   Wink
 
But recall, I also said the DC18 is probably the best made and sold dyson to date.  Is that a false and purposely misleading opinion too?  You and the dyson fans didn't think/say so when I posted it.
 
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Reply #292 - 07/10/07 at 11:36pm
 
Just one quote from your linked review as I have already pointed out...
"Dyson now offer a 5 yr warranty. You have to pay to ship it to the Head office($40) If they feel its damaged due to misuse, You will have to pay for the repair. parts and return shipping fee. ($40)".
 
It really isn't that complicated the above is not an opinion it is a statement of fact.  It is both misleading in parts and straight out untrue in another and is either the result of lack of knowledge by someone pretending to be more of an expert on the product that they are or a lie meant to purposely mislead in an effort to falsely steer business to the machines he does sell on the site.  It is not an opinion.  Your denying this is either lack of knowledge  by someone pretending to be more of an expert on the product that they are or a lie meant to purposely mislead.  It is not the only statement of fact that is not true in the review.  I believe you have had such disagreements in the past people can disagree on opinions, however a statement of fact like above is either true or untrue.
 
The fact is dyson has over 600 carry-in local independent service facilities, are out actively recruiting more and are also partnered with both Sears and Best Buy for local service.  
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Reply #293 - 07/11/07 at 7:13am
 
Hello JimB:
 
Seems like we are off the NPD market share topic now and on Mark's customer guide on vacuums.  Interesting.  Have you talked to Mark about it?  
 
600 dyson repair shops?  And growing.  Funny, that's a number I heard bantered about for over 2 years now.  Sure that's not a dyson goal for store numbers?  But be that as it may.........
 
On a somewhat related matter, since you mentioned SEARS and BEST BUY as dyson partners:  These are two of dyson's largest big box retailers, if not the largest in many areas of the country.  
 
Did you know that BOTH these store chains have reported terrible quarterly earnings and year to date sales in 2007?  
 
Both stores have REVISED their yearly earnings and profits going forward and even into 2008 downward [way way down].  SEARS announced yesterday and its stock price fell almost $18 a share.  Despite announcing a huge stock buyback plan, which it thought would nullify the impact.  It was wrong.  
 
In your expert opinion, what impact do you think these and other dyson retailers' extremely poor 2007 sales' results and forecasts for the future have on dyson sales in the USA?   cry
 
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #294 - 07/23/07 at 10:45pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 07/11/07 at 7:13am:
Hello JimB:

Seems like we are off the NPD market share topic now and on Mark's customer guide on vacuums.  Interesting.  Have you talked to Mark about it?  

600 dyson repair shops?  And growing.  Funny, that's a number I heard bantered about for over 2 years now.  Sure that's not a dyson goal for store numbers?  But be that as it may.........

On a somewhat related matter, since you mentioned SEARS and BEST BUY as dyson partners:  These are two of dyson's largest big box retailers, if not the largest in many areas of the country.  

Did you know that BOTH these store chains have reported terrible quarterly earnings and year to date sales in 2007?  

Both stores have REVISED their yearly earnings and profits going forward and even into 2008 downward [way way down].  SEARS announced yesterday and its stock price fell almost $18 a share.  Despite announcing a huge stock buyback plan, which it thought would nullify the impact.  It was wrong.

In your expert opinion, what impact do you think these and other dyson retailers' extremely poor 2007 sales' results and forecasts for the future have on dyson sales in the USA?   cry

Carmine D.

 
I think a better question is:  What impact did Dyson hav eon Sears low sales?  Likely none.  Of all the departments in Sears vacuums and appliances seem to be missing fewer different sku's.  Too bad earnings do not report wher losses and gains are.
 
Wal Mart had good earnings.  Most news sources report this is due to increased gas prices as well as groceries and other goods.  It is not unusual for low end products such as those carried by WM to be more in demand than the higher end products in other stores during these economic conditions.  I also would like to know how much profit/loss vacuums added to the bottom line at WM.
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Reply #295 - Yesterday at 6:30am
 
Hello HARDSELL:
 
When you have the answers to your questions, please share with the Forum readers.
 
A stroll through the vacuum aisles of a big Wall store and monitoring the weekly vacuum sales help:  I've visited several recently in my area.  Dysons are not there.  HOOVER WT2, not there.  Why?  I can't tell you the last time I saw SEARS/Wal*Mart vacuums advertised for sale in the papers.  It's been months.  Why?  Can't afford to spend advertising dollars on vacuums?  The payoff is too small for the cost?
 
Vacuums are on the shelves: Less expensive brand name vacuums: HOOVER Mach 3 [$100] and 5 [$160].  GE canister [$150].  BISSELL [$70], Eureka Smart Vac [$120] now Eureka Capture too [$130].  Many of these vacuums are in short supply on the shelves.  Why?  They sell and sell quickly without costly advertising dollars which can be used on merchandise like apparel, school supplies and electronics.  That's what big Wall and other retailers want on their shelves.  Fast moving and selling products: Vacuums and otherwise that don't require advertising budgets to sell.  
 
Big Wall actually attributed higher gas prices to falling off sales earlier in the year.  And is addressing this with its TV ad message:  If you are paying more for gas you don't want to pay more for everything else.  And to contradict you again, food sales at same stores for big Wall stores are down from year to year.  Still substantial [largest of all food stores in sales] but down from last year and the year before.  Why?  Too many big Wall stores have food and produce sales nowadays.  Hence, big Wall is reducing expansion of new stores this year and next AND it's reducing the stores' square footage.  Concentrating on existing stores and sales.  BTW, BEST BUY is following the same strategy by cutting back store openings and reducing size.
 
If you read my post on the subject, big Wall is trying to make it easier for its customers to find all their needs and pay and leave in 20 minutes.  Why?  That's the time.  And usually customers have 10 items to buy but in the time can only manage to find 8.  And then it's 5 minutes or more in the check out to pay and exit.
 
Big Wall wants to make sure they have all 10 items and are out in 20 minutes including a no longer than 3-5 minute check out and pay time.
 
So far this year the strategy appears to be working well for Wal*Mart.  One thing for sure:  You won't see a dyson DC18 slim for $469 in any of the over 4000 big Wall stores worldwide.  Nada.
 
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