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hooverman
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Filter Queen
Original Message Mar 15, 2010 11:39 pm |
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I love my Filter Queen vacs so far; but want to know if the 360 style tools are good/bad or the old style tools are better? Mine are the brown & salmon mdls (salmon one is suction-only; brown one has Mdl 88 Power Nozzle) this is my mdl 31 Filterqueen 
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vacmanuk
Location: Scotland UK
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Re: Filter Queen
Reply #36 Mar 25, 2010 2:17 pm |
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Thank you but ...........this is resolution therapy after the fact not before. I can see these procedures employed for a 50 year old FQ but a 4 year old dyson DC07? Still under warranty? Are these service procs reasonably probable and practical for dyson users on DC07 and 14 models to rid them of musty dirt and pet odors while still under warranty? I think not. I think they are unreasonable and even if employed are rarely effective. Why? These dyson models have unrealistic filter maintenance schedules [6-9 months for cleaning is too long and prone to hold odors] and the convoluted dirt paths and components on these dyson models. Once the odors set in these dyson models it is virtually impossible to remove even with your remedies. Why? A user/repair tech can't replace/clean all the ports and parts where the tell tale odors remain and are emitted. Many of which are permament and can't be removed/replaced like the brush bar. These odor holding places get worse over time. The users' remedy for these models with musty dirt and pet odors is with dyson, the BAF and the retailers. Especially while still under warranty. If you got stuck with one of these dyson models unbeknownst about the odors, what would you do if it were still under warranty. Thanks, Carmine D. Carmine - warranties do NOT cover dust smells - it is upto the owner who cleans their vacuums out and the filter maintenance. After all, do buyers send back their ovens when the "stay clean" liners are dirty? I dont think so! There are so many buyers I know who have NOT read the manual and have installed a damp filter back into a vacuum cleaner hoping that in some of the construction and design, the actual vacuum will dry out the filter. Not so! Indeed when I sent my Vax Mach Air back to Vax following a hinge damage on the floor head that turned out to be a design fault they threatened to charge anyone who sends back a vacuum with a dirty filter by charging them £35. This charge is not unheard of; Miele and Sebo also frown upon machines having at least a clean filter if it is to be sent back in for suction / filter repairs.. Infact I do believe that Dyson user manuals state the filters "should be washed around 6 months," but they also state clearly that if the filter is looking dirty, it should be washed in a shorter time..
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CarmineD
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Re: Filter Queen
Reply #37 Mar 25, 2010 4:51 pm |
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FYI, both filters on this dyson DC07, which is ready for the dump due to the odors, were replaced several months ago. They are clean. The problem with the pet musty odor is embedded in the dyson's inner parts and ports. The smell will never ever go away. Just get worse. I have no doubt that if any user's manual for an appliance listed the steps you elaborated above to keep them clean/odor free, they would never sell a single solitary unit, especially if they were $600 and sold with the hyped claim that they had ZERO maintenance costs for 5 years, like these dyson models did. I completely agree with 3 dyson steps since August 2006 when dyson's warranty was extended from 2 to 5 years. One, the shorter filter cleaning schedules on models like the DC16 and later dysons to 2-3 months from the 6-9 months on DC07 and DC14. Two, the discontinuance by dyson of the disingenuous claim that these dyson vacuums NEVER clog. Three, that these 2 dyson models were discontinued just a few years into their production runs. Did any other vacuum brand with its supposed signature models [launched its brand worldwide] discontinue their models within just a few years of their production? I can't name one except dyson and these DC07 and DC14 models. Products are not made and marketed for the convenience of the product makers and the retailers. They SHOULD be made and marketed for the convenience and ease of use by the buyers. Especially when the price is $600 for a vacuum [and $60,000 for a vehicle]. Imagine buying a luxury foreign car and having 4 recalls on it in less than one year and being told by the CEO of the company [AKA The Prince] that the brand is the epitomy of reliability.  Really? What dictionary is he using? Like having 3 major product flaws on a signature model [s] and having the company discontinue them while still under the original warranty period. Carmine D. A postscript: Add step 4 by Sir James Dyson and his bagless vacuum inventors: Discontinuance for all time and on all future dyson models of the gawdawful clutches on the DC07 and DC14 models.
This message was modified Mar 25, 2010 by CarmineD
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CarmineD
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Re: Filter Queen
Reply #39 Mar 26, 2010 6:21 am |
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I well understand. I've got two Rexair Bs that I'm going to have made into table lamps one of these years. Venson
Hi Venson:
Back in the day we vacuum pros called these Rexairs "water hydrants" for obvious reasons. The only thing I did with them was use them as filler in my store display windows. I still have the black and white photos somewhere around with them in the windows. Carmine D.
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Venson
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Re: Filter Queen
Reply #44 Mar 26, 2010 3:11 pm |
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Venson: I'm seeing a pattern here on bagless boondoggles. 60 years ago the Rexair water hydrants. 40 years ago the FQ monster mash machines. 20 years ago dyson's forerunners to the wildly successful and world acclaimed DC 07-11-14's. Well, on a good note the vacuum industry is spared a little while longer before another bagless vacuum hits the poor unsuspecting vacuum market. Bagless is beautiful, yeah yeah yeah.... Carmine D.
Hi Carmine,
Rexair and Rainbow's biggest problem is that they didn't/don't allow for spontanaity -- thing that helps user develop a liking for a specific machine. If you're rug or floor's looking a little ratty, you can't just walk over to the closet and whip out your Rainbow and put it away again. Not endearing, and certainly not endeariing enough to make either Rexair or Rainbow of nuch interest to the mass market. Filter Queen is referred to as bagless and it is in the sense that dirt is not collected in a bag of any sort but replacement of a fresh filter cone was required with each emptying. You don't just dump it and walk away. Because of the need for a fresh cellulose cone after each emptying that rates about the same to me, maintence and expense-wise as having a bagged vacuum. The cones worked very, very well but dumping the collection bin was probably not too delightful a duty to many stay at home moms or working women, the predominant users of vacuums since back in the day. The positive side was that FQ has great dirt capacity and you can clean for a good month in the average home befor emptying. Yet again, due to the convenience aspect, here we have a vacuum that has never bowled over the industry in total but has retained a "following". Long gone Lewyt was "bagless" too but jumped off the bag wangon relatively quickly and made the switch to the "speed-sak." Over the years, it seems that people minded shaking out Electrolux and/or Hoover bags far less until the disposable dust bag caught on. The big issue with bagless vacuums today -- like any others -- is convenience, quality and performance. If I have to do extra work to get other work done, I look everywhere for the best ways to get around it. If they can produce a bagless that doesn't require frequent emptying, has collection bin that's easily flushed out and that requires no more than six month filter maintainance under standard cleaning conditions, I could be talked. Unfortunately, I have seen no such machines. Best, Venson
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CarmineD
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Re: Filter Queen
Reply #45 Mar 27, 2010 7:12 am |
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Hi Carmine, Rexair and Rainbow's biggest problem is that they didn't/don't allow for spontanaity -- thing that helps user develop a liking for a specific machine. If you're rug or floor's looking a little ratty, you can't just walk over to the closet and whip out your Rainbow and put it away again. Not endearing, and certainly not endeariing enough to make either Rexair or Rainbow of nuch interest to the mass market. Filter Queen is referred to as bagless and it is in the sense that dirt is not collected in a bag of any sort but replacement of a fresh filter cone was required with each emptying. You don't just dump it and walk away. Because of the need for a fresh cellulose cone after each emptying that rates about the same to me, maintence and expense-wise as having a bagged vacuum. The cones worked very, very well but dumping the collection bin was probably not too delightful a duty to many stay at home moms or working women, the predominant users of vacuums since back in the day. The positive side was that FQ has great dirt capacity and you can clean for a good month in the average home befor emptying. Yet again, due to the convenience aspect, here we have a vacuum that has never bowled over the industry in total but has retained a "following". Long gone Lewyt was "bagless" too but jumped off the bag wangon relatively quickly and made the switch to the "speed-sak." Over the years, it seems that people minded shaking out Electrolux and/or Hoover bags far less until the disposable dust bag caught on. The big issue with bagless vacuums today -- like any others -- is convenience, quality and performance. If I have to do extra work to get other work done, I look everywhere for the best ways to get around it. If they can produce a bagless that doesn't require frequent emptying, has collection bin that's easily flushed out and that requires no more than six month filter maintainance under standard cleaning conditions, I could be talked. Unfortunately, I have seen no such machines. Best, Venson
Well said Venson. I add one more: All niche sellers.
Carmine D.
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Maybe HS has some thoughts on the subject. He's a AH BS cure alls expert.