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Lucky1


Joined: Jan 2, 2008
Points: 271

Open to Suggestions
Original Message   Mar 6, 2008 3:14 pm
We are in the very beginning of discussions on to what vacuums/products to place on our website. We will have the full Miele-Sebo-Bosch Line up with a smattering of other machines we feel are either unique or fit into a good price point like the Royal Procision 3050, the Panasonic MC-CG973, Sanataire S782 and Mighty-Mite. Any other suggestions? And Why.

Thanks guys, have some fun!

Lucky
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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Open to Suggestions
Reply #12   Mar 8, 2008 9:20 am
CarmineD wrote:
New dyson vacuums are not selling in the current market and will continue not to sale as the economic conditions worsen.  Too expensive and the big box retailers are suffering huge sales declines as consumers put the brakes on discretionary spending [read high price vacuums].

Refurb dysons at low prices may be lucrative.  You do the refurbing and you guarantee.  Most of the refurbs for sale now shorten the warranty period drastically.  You extend yours just enough to get the edge and beat out the competition in dyson refurbs.

Carmine D. 



You have told us for at least 3 years that Dysons were not selling for 1 reason or another.  They remained #1 all the time. I told you that the Hoover Z would never make it.  It flopped  Damn, I am good.
mole


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Joined: Sep 30, 2007
Points: 783

Re: Open to Suggestions
Reply #13   Mar 8, 2008 9:49 am
Carmine,where are you going to find a decent canister vacuum with a good power head [new] to sell at $100.00 to $200.00. You tell me where these are and I'LL buy them .

Please dont tell me the HOOVER BAGLESS THINGY WITH THE QUAD POWERHEAD.

I would say these guy's are in business to make a profit, You know this cannot be done with the machines you have reccomened.

The only thing online shoppers care about is what it costs [bargain hunters],dont care about back up service,warrantys,parts availability,etc.

They will get bombarded with information seekers,that wont buy from them.But will thank them for their time.

I would sell bags,filters,attachments,etc. this is where the money is made.

MOLE

This message was modified Mar 8, 2008 by mole
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Open to Suggestions
Reply #14   Mar 8, 2008 2:06 pm
mole wrote:
Carmine,where are you going to find a decent canister vacuum with a good power head [new] to sell at $100.00 to $200.00. You tell me where these are and I'LL buy them .

Please dont tell me the HOOVER BAGLESS THINGY WITH THE QUAD POWERHEAD.

I would say these guy's are in business to make a profit, You know this cannot be done with the machines you have reccomened.

MOLE


Mole:

That's the reason the GE bagged cann sells so well for Wal*Mart. 

You have to have a mix from low end to high: Uprights and canns.  For the budget buyers, who don't want to buy a rebuilt, you offer the decent low end new: HOOVER TEMPO and/or Eureka Smart Vac, bagged.  Increase the markup by offering the extended service plan.  This is a last resort to keep from losing the customers.

For others who may be budget minded and bagless, offer the refurb dysons at competitive prices.  Again, increase the mark up by extending the warranty, to compete with all the dyson refurbs.

For the quality minded but limited budget: The rebuilts; you know the brands and models.

For the quality minded who can spend: The Miele, SEBO, RICCAR.  The top tier store brands.

Add the lightweights for those inclined: DC18; Oreck Deluxe, RICCAR/Simplicity.

DIdn't you quote me a decent cann for under $200 that is sold by vacuum stores?  I can go buy a truck load right now and ship them to you if you like?

Carmine D.

Lucky1


Joined: Jan 2, 2008
Points: 271

Re: Open to Suggestions
Reply #15   Mar 8, 2008 3:40 pm
dusty wrote:
Stepping away from vacuums for a sec, how about air cleaners.  There is a huge market for this and they compliment your Miele and Bosch product lines. Accessories to make someones current vacuum work better are also something to think about.  We sell lots for hand turbos and micro tool kits both of which you can't find in box stores.  I look forward to seeing your site once it's up and running.<BR><BR>Dusty

Dusty I do sell the Air purifiers and actually use one in the bedroom at night. I own the stinkiest Gordon Setter on the face of the planet and he sleeps in the BR. Does a good job I must say on Odor and Dust. The price point IS high but there is value in that you only need one system with the 5 features Odor/Hepa/Nano-Silver/Ionizer/Anti-Bacteria vs other brands with less. They don't fly out the door but I do sell some. Mostly the smaller version. Replacement filters are also pricey. They are soon to come out with a version to be sold in any retail store. Bothered me at first but it will make the brand name on other products an easier sell once the general public commonly sees the Brand Name.
dusty


Joined: Feb 8, 2008
Points: 264

Re: Open to Suggestions
Reply #16   Mar 8, 2008 3:52 pm
Lucky1 wrote:
 They are soon to come out with a version to be sold in any retail store. Bothered me at first but it will make the brand name on other products an easier sell once the general public commonly sees the Brand Name.

Box retailers have been a sticky point for me.  I find consumers do lots of research on this product (more so than vacuums) and in their travels they notice that the Simplicity is the same as the Sharp Plasma Cluster...except the Sharp can be had for far less $$'s.  I like the technology behind the product but wish they'd do a redesign so it looks a little more unique in the market place.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Open to Suggestions
Reply #17   Mar 9, 2008 7:58 am
Lucky1 wrote:

What about the Electrolux/Eureka series. I know they have contact & hose problems but they are in a good price point and get a good CR review. I'm really torn on this one.



Wouldn't be on my list of sellers.  Too pervasive among the big box retailers.  Unless you can cut the price or offer something more, you can't compete with the big dogs on price.  They'll undercut you.

BTW, what's your vacuum sales and experience, if you don't mind me asking?

Carmine D.

mole


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Joined: Sep 30, 2007
Points: 783

Re: Open to Suggestions
Reply #18   Mar 9, 2008 12:08 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Mole:

That's the reason the GE bagged cann sells so well for Wal*Mart. 

DIdn't you quote me a decent cann for under $200 that is sold by vacuum stores?  I can go buy a truck load right now and ship them to you if you like?

Carmine D.



Hi Carmine, The G.E.or cloned eureka canister,sells for how much?is it under $200.00,with a decent power head.Yes i know it's been at walmart for a long time now.

This machine i believe takes the cn1 bags,either under the G.E. label or the eureka cn2 bags under the eureka label.It is a decent machine but will not last very long.

Most vac shops sell the either the SANITAIE blue line/or red line.Now these uprights such as an 886  is vey hard to beat .Its vey common knowledge amoung the vacuum guy's that SANITAIRE is the best bang for the buck.It's really too bad that HOOVER has really given up on their commercial line for the vac shop's.I really liked selling the 334 commercial machine,and the GUARDSMAN upright.There are many good uprights out there for under $200.00,with the canisters it real hard to find a quality machine in that price range.

As far as air systems go ,i believe this market is over saturated already,and the consumer that wanted one already bought them. Sort of like wood stoves.......

MOLE

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Open to Suggestions
Reply #19   Mar 9, 2008 12:59 pm
mole wrote:
Hi Carmine, The G.E.or cloned eureka canister,sells for how much?is it under $200.00,with a decent power head.Yes i know it's been at walmart for a long time now.

There are many good uprights out there for under $200.00,with the canisters it real hard to find a quality machine in that price range.

As far as air systems go ,i believe this market is over saturated already,and the consumer that wanted one already bought them. Sort of like wood stoves.......

MOLE


Hello Mole:

When the budget minded call for a cann and spew off about the WM GE, here's an option:

http://www.abcvacuumwarehouse.com/vacdetails.asp?DBID=1775&ID=Fuller+Brush+FBPT%2D2+Canister

I heard that these canns are made in the same factory as the RICCAR/SIMPLICITY canns in South Korea.  The local dealer in NLV shoots this cann model for less than $200 when the cann buyers can't /won't go for the higher price RICCAR/SIMPLICITY canns.  I haven't checked it out closely.  It's on my list of things to do. 

I would add this one to my sales venue to compete against the WM GE which has been around for over 8 years and still selling well.

Carmine D.

mole


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Location: earth
Joined: Sep 30, 2007
Points: 783

Re: Open to Suggestions
Reply #20   Mar 9, 2008 1:17 pm
Thanks Carmine, Another thing thats interesting is why would a dealer sell 2 lines that are very similar to each other [example BOSCH,MEELAH] or riccar and simplicity,

Buying and promoting but being goverend by them and being dictated how and how much they have to be sold for doesnt sit well with most owners.Minimum machine orders just so so you can keep your dealers status[diamond dealers],Been there done that,My advice to the dealers would be DONT GET TRAPPED BY ANY OF THESE CORPORATE [PIMPS].......

MOLE

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Open to Suggestions
Reply #21   Mar 9, 2008 2:21 pm
mole wrote:
My advice to the dealers would be DONT GET TRAPPED BY ANY OF THESE CORPORATE [PIMPS].......

MOLE


I second and third that motion.  My store. My business.  No one but N-O-O-N-E tells [told] me what to do.  

Carmine D.

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