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Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #65 Jan 31, 2008 1:14 pm |
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CR has NEVER questioned and/or doubted the CRI certification. NEVER. I agreed with CR on the Ionic Breeze. I said so on several Forums BEFORE the Ionic Breeze buyers brought a class action suit against it and won. You can impugn and deny the reliability of the CRI certification all you want. That's your right. But it doesn't make you right. YOU CAN'T DETERMINE AND DICTATE TO ME AND OTHERS WHAT CERTIFICATIONS ARE VALID AND/OR RELEVANT AS SUPPORT FOR THEIR VACUUM CLEANER PURCHASE DECISIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. Just because you don't agree. That's arrogant and haughty on your part. Let people decide for themselves what and who they believe and why. If it's you-fine. If it's CRI, that's their right just as it is your right not to believe. Why are you "bashing" the CRI certification? Do you concrete evidence of CRI certifications that are wrong, bad, and/or unsubstantiated? Please share with us here. Or, are you just bashing CRI because I and others choose to accept their findings about HOOVER and ORECK but you don't? Either way, I don't really care what you think about the CRI certifications. I use them and I recommend them and I will continue to. So do many other industry insiders and outsiders. Citing an irrelevant and totally unrelated certification for a scam fad product not related in any way to the vacuum industry and vacuums HAS ABSOLUTELY NOT ONE IOTA OF AN EFFECT AND IMPACT on the CRI Certification and its reliability. None whatsover. In other words, it is completely and utterly ridiculous. Carmine D. Carmine, read my post again. I NEVER mentioned CR bringing up the CRI certification; they never did. What I DID say was that CR DID bring the AAFA and British Allergy Foundation to light in an air purifier test a few years ago, and I put that CRI certification in the same category. Yes, it may be an assumption on my part until I'm able to dig up some valid proof, but it's a logical one...it doesn't take rocket science to read through all of those "certifications" on ANY product out there, not just vacuums or air purifiers. I wasn't trying to be "arrogant" or "haughty", nor was I trying to impose any suggestions of any kind for anyone on what to believe. Indeed, there are some who take these ratings or certifications seriously and some who don't, it doesn't matter to me AT ALL and never did. Your comment borderlined on a personal attack for saying so. This isn't your blog and/or a dyson web site either. Which is what most recent vacuum Forums have become: Everything that is dyson even if it is unrelated to vacuums [read dyson airblades, ball barrels and washers]. This thread according to the subject is about the Oreck XL 21. Several posts and posters are intentionally using it to promote the dyson at the expense of Oreck. How? By BASHING the Oreck and bashing industry authorities, sources and experts like Consumer Reports and the Carpet and Rug Institute which praise and/or approve Orecks. In most cases, over dysons. Both of which [CR and CRI] in addition to ORECK advertise on this site. JUST LIKE DYSON retailers advertise here. In part the reason for the Abbey's guidelines on verbal civility and decorum. Did you miss those posts and posters because your focus is pro-dyson and anti anyone who posts to the contrary? Like me? I like my Oreck XL Classic [as does my dear Wife and two family members I gifted them to]. The Oreck XL Classic for $150 outperforms the dyson DC07 pink for $400 in my home hands down. I've reviewed the Oreck XL Classic on this site. I could have reviewed the DC07 pink too, which was terrible. And document in my dyson review the useless and foolish assistance I received from their technical support. Which after several attempts was finally: Return the dyson to the retailer for a full refund, it will not clean your carpets. I did not, YET. But perhaps I will in the future. To the dyson tech assistance credit, its advice about dysons is the same as my builder and his rug supplier and subcontractors: Don't buy and use any dyson products on your carpets. On this thread, I will respond to attacks and negative comments by Oreck bashers. I have that privilege and the wherewithal. If you don't like what I say about the Oreck XL Classic, then skip over my posts. Read/post dyson pictures and dyson information instead. You are very good at this too and in the process you are promoting jaydee and all his products. You are proud of doing it! You relish in it. No doubt the reason for the name you use here. I prefer to use my real name and real identity. Not a fictitious one with specific product/company overtones. Different strokes for different folks! Carmine D. Since this thread was originally about Orecks, if I was the one who had turned it into a Dyson discussion I would apologize for "hijacking" the thread. However, if you look through the posts...none of the Dyson supporters here (including myself) started in on it in the beginning! It was only when the "Oreck vs. Dyson" comparison was brought up that I and others decided to add our 2 cents. So, in the end, who really encouraged it and changed the focus of the thread? I wouldn't consider any of us "promoting" Dysons, just like I wouldn't consider anyone else "promoting" anything else. We like them because we like them, that's all there is to it. People have positive and negative experiences with every machine, we happen to have had a positive experience using Dysons. No different from anyone liking Hoover, Oreck, Miele, Riccar, or any other brand.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #67 Jan 31, 2008 1:33 pm |
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Since this thread was originally about Orecks, if I was the one who had turned it into a Dyson discussion I would apologize for "hijacking" the thread. However, if you look through the posts...none of the Dyson supporters here (including myself) started in on it in the beginning! It was only when the "Oreck vs. Dyson" comparison was brought up that I and others decided to add our 2 cents. So, in the end, who really encouraged it and changed the focus of the thread?
You should know the answer to that question. You. How? By accusing [on more than one occasion] Oreck of bashing dyson. Or your comment: Don't even get me started on the Oreck canister! Which happens to be a favorite of mine! And what does it have to do with the Oreck XL 21? Are you going to look back and devise a phony excuse to blame this comment on somebody else too?
The link I posted [which came off this board] with a checklist of comparative features and specifications for Oreck vice dyson is not dyson bashing. As I explained already. It deteriorated to a free for all when ALL the dyson posters jumped on board and used the link [as an excuse as you mentioned] to "hijack" the thread. Excellent word. It's exactly what you ALL did. Ironically, DIB was not in that free for all with you and the dyson fans. Until the end of the foray between you and I. I guess, he felt it necessary to put in his 2 cents worth, as you like to say. On your behalf of course. By bashing Mole and I with a hypothetical question and event that never happened. Why does this technique have such an old familiar ring to it? Almost 6 years in the making. This is a common ploy and practice by dysoners. Why? To take vacuum Forums hostage and use them as self-serving dyson boards to praise and glorify all dyson products whether they are vacuums or not. I'd defintely say that's promoting. And it's easy to spot you. You all have dyson related names either their products/company name. Well, there are alot more vacuum products better and able to serve consumer needs than your favorite brand dyson. As a vacuum collector you know that firsthand. If I am to understand your summary findings on the dyson vacuums, you don't like the DC07, DC14, DC15, but do like the DC17. I'm not sure about your take on the DC18. But since there is someone on here with that name, dyson fans have it covered. I think from the reactions and posts here, we [myself included] are onto you and your dyson ways and means. And if you ALL continue with the same dyson methods as the past, it should get very interesting on here. Like it has recently. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #68 Jan 31, 2008 2:15 pm |
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For this purpose I think the Oreck, Simplicy Freedom or the Roomba fills a nice area of the segment.
Of these three I would have to say I'd buy the Freedom. The roomba although getting better is still a toy. If your thinking about the base Oreck vs the Freedom 3600... The freedom has a Bigger Fan, has 2 Speeds vs 1 on the Oreck, a shorter and stiffer brush roll vs a softer, thicker bristle (which sometimes is hard to push on a thick carpet and doesn't dig as deep), Freedom has 6 wheels, availability of very high quality cloth bags (not sure if you can get them at Oreck for the XL(maybe) and it is actually lighter (slightly). Excellent lightweight vacuums. Consumer Reports consistently rates the RICCAR SupraLite [and the Simplicity Freedom series] above Orecks. In the latest rankings and ratings, they garner an 8 overall while Oreck manages an 11. Prices for the RICCAR and Simplicity are comparable to the Oreck XL Deluxe models at $300-$400. But of course, the Oreck price includes the giveaways. A similar lightweight upright as the RICCAR is badged as a HOOVER Ultra Lightweight. And HOOVER recently, under the tutalege of TTI, brought a new lightweight upright to market similar to all the above for about $200. These HOOVER uprights are sold through the big box retailers. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #69 Jan 31, 2008 4:00 pm |
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On a more serious note, in regards to Just's post about a secondary machine, Very telling introductory remark, which followed your "let's all make up and be nice again" on this thread. I infer that the 'hijacking' [your word, not mine] of this thread and the ensuing Oreck bashing are not serious matters in your view. Just another fun time had by all on the Forum for you and the dysoners. Until you are challenged. Since you now announced the desist and retreat, you are ready to put out the word that its time now to get serious. And back to the business of this Forum. Thank you for your permission. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #71 Jan 31, 2008 4:49 pm |
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It is really time to let this thing go. It does not mean that it will go away. It will come back again, I am sure. Everyone has said their peace about the subject.
Mike W.(Moderator)
If the past is any prediction of the future, you can count on it. And I'm ready to rumble.
Carmine D.
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