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Re: PRICING QUESTION
#1   Today 8:01 pm
Venson wrote:
Hi Lucky1,

Thanks for your reply.  I am not asking that vendors sell merchandise with no mark-up.  I thoroughly understand the cost of overhead and having to pay salaries plus all the other things that end up eating up money and that all must be reflected in the pricing of merchandise.  I simply want an idea of pricing to help in deciding where to buy from -- namely vendors whose pricing leans more toward fair as opposed to what the market will bear.

The plight of vendors -- especially independent ones does not escape me.  However, consumers have their own special  plight  which no one appears to be concerned about -- being able to buy what they need.  In such cases, informed shoppers are  prepared to do the work start looking for ways to save.  By way of the internet, we can now bettter investigate quality and price. 

As an instance, I've been looking for new tires.  I did some searching and investigating and decided on a tire with a good rep that should well suit my needs.  (Like vaccuums, everybody has his favorite tire too.) However, price was as much as an issue s quality.  Between lowest price and highest, the range is about $70.00 per tire.  I have solved the problem.  I am buying the tires I've chosen online and will chuck them into the back of my car and have them installed by a small but reputable shop in my community (instead of a big commercial entity) where they will be properly mounted and balanced for far less the price offered by the big kids.  AND even with shipping cost included I will aquire the tires at a better price.

I'm not asking for goods at next to nothing.  All I want is a decent price.

Venson


Venson,  be sure that the small shop has had a profitable week and do not have the tires installed on a late Saturday evening.  Otherwise you could become a victim of higher prices if the dealer shares Carmine's business ethics.  Of course any reputable dealer would make it up to you by always giving you free air for your tires.
Re: PRICING QUESTION
#2   Today 7:57 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello Venson:

Do you know the age of the tires you are buying on-line?  Did you factor that age issue into your buy decision?  With the slowdown in the economy and auto sales, tire sales are way off.  Shelf life of unsold tires is increasing drastically.  In some cases by many years.  These old in stock tires have risks associated with their use that tire customers may not know and/or are not told by retailers.  Especially with on-line tire purchases where you can't see the tires to see the dates they were made.

Carmine D.

I see you watched that tire story also.  Slow auto sales should actually cycle auto parts inventory at a faster pace.  Keeping a car longer means more repairs and replacement parts.

What % of the consumers do you think have ever looked at the date on a tire?  Better yet, what % even knows it exists or where to find it?

Re: PRICING QUESTION
#3   Today 10:58 am
CarmineD wrote:




Hello HARDSELL:

Since your answer to MOLE's question appears fuzzy [one with a price amount and one without a price but a day caveat], please clarify which brands you think are overpriced and which are not.  Why?  

As an example, I say most big box store vacuum brands costing over $200 [your amount] are overpriced: i.e. dyson, kenmore premalite, electrolux, and halo to cite several of the current ones sold in the big box store venue.   While most of the independent store brands like MIELE, ORECK, SEBO, Lindhaus, RICCAR/SIMPLICITY, BOSCH, PANASONIC and AERUS [the typical vacuum store brands] costing over $200 are not overpriced.  Agree/disagree?  If you disagree with me, tell us why?  Pick any day of the week and any time of the day you want if it makes a difference in your answer. 

Carmine D.


Carmine,

I am typing very slowly so you might be able to understand.  You were anti-Dyson long before you ever used one.  Your constant bickering got at least one vacuum forum shut down.  Every comment that I have made is from personal experience and not from bias because I never sold the product nor because Dyson made a fool of me as a consultant.  That alone must have cut you deeply.

It is only natural that as a former independent you dislike big box stores.  My experience with the big box stores has been better than with the independents. If I purchase a product at a big box store I can simply return it with no questions asked.  Making a return to an independent is more unpleasant than dealing with hemorrhoids.  Also the big box stores have never tried to upgrade me simply for more profit as you eluded to yesterday.  You already know my experience with an independent trying to sell me a motor when all the old motor needed was brushes.  That same motor that needed replacing is still running years later after new brushes. 

All those independent brands (along with many big box models) are over priced in my opinion as are most expensive items.   They have invested little to nothing in R&D or technology since start up.  Most perform no better than less expensive models and require regular repairs, tune ups, bags, etc.  An independent can't exist without the profits of these things.  Vac sales alone would be a short business venture.  Who wants to pay in excess of $500 for a vacuum that does not include cleaning attachments or that requires a 2nd vacuum because it has no hose.  Any vacuum could clean a hotel/motel.  Those house keepers make a quick sweep over carpet that allows little to no dirt to become deeply embedded.  They have no need for attachments.  I do not like a vacuum without a manual height adjustment or brush on/off control.

To date Dyson is the only vacuum that I have used on non carpeted surfaces that did not blow more dirt away from the vac than it pulled in. 

Simply because one is willing to pay a price for any item does not mean it is not over priced.

You say that Dyson will have to reduce pricing when sales slow.  That would also apply if consumers quit buying any over priced good.

The day of the week was a pun to MOLE.  Sorry that you can't comprehend.

Re: PRICING QUESTION
#4   Yesterday 7:03 pm
mole wrote:



MOLE,

Depends on the day of the week.

I never kept a vacuum that cost less than $300.  I have also used some costing $700 that were a little better than a broom.

Regardless of what I would pay I think most are over priced.  Especially those imports that cost $700 or more with no cleaning attachments.  And those uprights that require you to also purchase a hand held because they have no hose.

Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
#5   Yesterday 4:53 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello HARDSELL:

Using your logic above, if the dyson still worked then you would not have sold it and used the proceeds to buy another brand.  I still own and use my ORECK daily and recommend to others.  You prove my point that only 10 percent of buyers are loyal to a specific brand.  Most people, like you, have a repertoire of different brands for household cleaning products.  ORECK is in my home, along with HOOVER and other brands, because it works.  Dyson isn't because it doesn't.

Promoting one vacuum brand only, as has been the case for dyson fans here, at the exclusion and expense of other brands, particularly by bashing, is bad for the vacuum business.  Of course, it's simple to understand when you are an employee for that vacuum brand/company.  Then you have a vested interest to impugn the competition.  Is this unethical.........because it secretly benefits you [by not disclosing your real/true motives]?  Or is it business?  

Carmine D. 

Common sense overides your logic Carmine.  I used the Dyson for 3 years and the Oreck for maybe 3 weeks.  I got rid of the Oreck for poor performance in my home.  I got rid of the Dyson just to try other vacs.  Major difference.  I do not own a Dyson and still recommend it.  That is a better compliment than recommending what you use.  Where is your loyalty to the busted Hoover?  If you use them that speaks lowly for Oreck and Hoover.  Really, two brands to do the job of 1 Dyson.

We have repeatedly heard that Dyson did not work on your builder grade carpet.  Speaking of builder grade items.  Did you ever get that builder grade plasma that was gifted with the home replaced or repaired?

In case you forgot.  The Kirby and Royal that replaced the Dyson do not perform to the same high standards.

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