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Paul7


Joined: Mar 12, 2007
Points: 427

TORO CCR 3000 snowblower
Original Message   Feb 8, 2011 1:13 am
Can anyone tell me about this model.  One is for sale locally for $150.  Claims it's in great condition and runs like new.  Is it worth it.  How does it compare to the new models.

Thanks,
Paul
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trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
Joined: Dec 8, 2007
Points: 1282

Re: TORO CCR 3000 snowblower
Reply #9   Feb 8, 2011 2:58 pm
Paul7 wrote: 

>> I'm always hearing people talk about this engine with reverence. 

    Ancient Toro lawnmowers with Suzuki engines (4 strokers) have a cult following around here.  Listing any Suzuki lawnmower engine regardless of condition brings out the faithfull for cheap replacement and backup parts.  A guy from south western Conneticutt has driven here (eastern MA) 3 times over the last few years to buy CCR2000's.  He got one for himself, then one for his brother-in-law and two months ago his farther. 

   He had done fine with the CCR but this year with the huge snows he last week bought a 1030 commercial Snapper (pre-Briggs) from about 1998-2000 in mint condition for $350.  A excellent price for one of the best snowblowers ever made.

  

aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2392

Re: TORO CCR 3000 snowblower
Reply #10   Feb 8, 2011 4:07 pm
Shryp wrote:
I don't think I have ever used a Suzuki engine, but a lot of people like putting straight gas in their 2 strokes too. :)

I don't think they intentionally "like putting straight gas in their 2 stroke".  It happens.
trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
Joined: Dec 8, 2007
Points: 1282

Re: TORO CCR 3000 snowblower
Reply #11   Feb 8, 2011 5:35 pm
Borat,

    The other thing that knocks out formatting is long links.  A return after a length of address will restore the formatting.

    The list shows two engines which is news to me.  Some model groups of 3000s came with "Toro" R Tec 6hp's.   I only know the R tec as a 5hp 141cc in the 2450.  How many cc is the 6hp? 

borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: TORO CCR 3000 snowblower
Reply #12   Feb 8, 2011 5:48 pm
All R-Tek engines are the same size at 141cc.   Standard ported engines are rated from 5 to 6.5 h.p. depending on machine and label applied.   

I've read some confusing information that the same 141cc engine was configured with different porting (two additional intake ports) to make it a 7 or 7.5 h.p. engine.   Maybe Superbuick can join this thread to give us more details.  He's been a big B&S two cycle fan for years. 

I'll tell you what I think.  The marketing of the R-Tek engine is like that of their 305cc engine that's rated anywhere from 9 to 11.5 h.p.  Exactly the same engine part for part other than the power rating decals.  

The R-Tek might have a bit of "real" power variation depending on the governor setting.  Higher rpms will render more power. 
trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
Joined: Dec 8, 2007
Points: 1282

Re: TORO CCR 3000 snowblower
Reply #13   Feb 8, 2011 6:09 pm
   I think your right.  I just ran through some drawings and the 2450 and older 3000's have the same block so same cc size.   Right, possible other mods to shake more hp or different marketing test critera. 

Paul7, 

   Sorry to have mislead you on CCR3000s as Suzuki.  In the past I have gone over three factory model number runs of the CCR3000 and they were all Suzuki 5hps.  This is the first I've know of a 3000 with anything else (factory runs of 38432, 3, 7, 8).  On the brighter size if you end up with a 141cc 6hp RTec that's not such a bad deal. 

borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: TORO CCR 3000 snowblower
Reply #14   Feb 8, 2011 7:15 pm
Visually, the R-tek appears to be very well made.  No scrimping on cooling fins, nicely finished castings.  Fit and finish looks good. 

Couldn't find a "Made In" label on it.  Hard to tell if it's made in the U.S.A. or Chine-A.   

Regardless, I've seen a lot of two cycle engines and the R-tek looks as well made as any.  It is a little raucous even compared to the old Tecumseh two stroke I've been playing with.   However, at lower rpms, it's quite a bit stronger than the Tecumseh which is only  2ccs smaller albeit 14 years older.   I think the Tecumseh has a better muffler to help tone it down.   That muffler might also be the reason the Tec engine doesn't have the same low end power.

Being that the R-tek is an industrial grade derivative of the Lawn Boy Duraforce engine, I'm confident it should be a good engine.   It's been around for a few years and I haven't heard anything bad about it.  

  
Paul7


Joined: Mar 12, 2007
Points: 427

Re: TORO CCR 3000 snowblower
Reply #15   Feb 8, 2011 7:34 pm
trouts2 wrote:
   I think your right.  I just ran through some drawings and the 2450 and older 3000's have the same block so same cc size.   Right, possible other mods to shake more hp or different marketing test critera. 

Paul7, 

   Sorry to have mislead you on CCR3000s as Suzuki.  In the past I have gone over three factory model number runs of the CCR3000 and they were all Suzuki 5hps.  This is the first I've know of a 3000 with anything else (factory runs of 38432, 3, 7, 8).  On the brighter size if you end up with a 141cc 6hp RTec that's not such a bad deal. 


trouts2,

No worries at all.  I wanted a capable single stage mainly to have a back-up if my 2-stage fails in the middle of a snow storm.   I acquired a single stage last season but it was of a poor design so I got rid of it.  The most important thing is that the Toro CCR 3000 is a proven design.  The engine manufacturer isn't that a big deal to me. 
Paul7


Joined: Mar 12, 2007
Points: 427

Re: TORO CCR 3000 snowblower
Reply #16   Feb 9, 2011 3:41 pm
Picked up the Toro CCR 3000 today.  It has a 5hp engine...I guess either the Suzuki or the R-tec.  Whatever it is it sounds great.  I took a photo of the model/serial numbers.  From the list that Borat posted would the model number indicate a 50:1 mix.  Just want to make sure that I'm interpreting things correctly.





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aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2392

Re: TORO CCR 3000 snowblower
Reply #17   Feb 9, 2011 3:45 pm
Paul7,

That CCR3000 may very likely have a Suzuki engine in it.  I remember seeing some later models  with the R-Tek sticker near the console. 
borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: TORO CCR 3000 snowblower
Reply #18   Feb 9, 2011 3:54 pm
38430
CCR3000
20"
1997-1999
Toro
47P**
50:1

The above which was taken from the Toro site applies to your machine.  It appears to have the Suzuki engine.  Good for you. 

As far as mixing oil and fuel, it says the recommended ratio is 50:1.  I keep one container of fuel mixed at approx. 35:1.  I use that mix for all of my equipment which requires anything from 25:1 to 50:1.  With today's oil, I'm confident that the equipment with a richer oil/fuel mix will not suffer with 35:1 and once the equipment is a running temperatures, very little smoke is evident.  It's better to go slightly rich rather than thin. 

Let us know how it works out for you.    
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