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Garandman


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Honda GX200 Clone engines?
Original Message   Apr 10, 2005 7:42 am
I was surprised to see that there are several different clones (presumably Chines) of the Honda GX200. Oddly, some seem to sell for about the same price as price as a replacement Honda, although others are much less - about half. The various folks selling them claim parts are interchangable with the Honda.

Are these any good? I don' think "You get what you pay or" has been suspended, but  China does have very low labor rates and we are talking small engines, not satellites. The one owner I talked to bought one for a generator - $160 delivered - and he said it started on the second pull and seems to perform fine. 
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Garandman


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Re: Honda GX200 Clone engines?
Reply #7   Apr 10, 2005 6:26 pm
Highwind wrote:
I see on the Honda Canada website they have a small notice about counterfeit products. The engines look identical with the same paint scheme, but without the logo or stickers, which I'm sure would result in a SWAT team of lawyers armed to the teeth with lawsuits parachute on them so fast they wouldn't know what hit them.

I don't know how a knock-off can be the same as the original unless they can get the identical parts from where Honda gets or manufactures them. You can get a lot of parts that are similiar, but doesn't mean they meet the original design specifications of the maker.

Why are they doing this? Obviously to cash in on the Honda reputation and make money. People think as it looks the same it is likely the same, but just isn't branded. But try to take it back to a Honda dealer for warranty work and watch him ROFL his AO.


It is very unlikely that you are using an IBM PC? I worked for an American company that cloned the IBM "Winchester" hard drive and later tried to reverse engineer a Savin copier (which was made by Ricoh). Any area that had patent protection was designed around  so they weren't infringed upon. AMD makes chips compatible with the Intel instruction set but without using  the Intel design.

I'm not sure how much, if any, of a Honda GX200 is patented or otherwise protected by intillectual property rights. If there aren't any, and they don't claim it to be a Honda, they're probably free and clear.

Reverse-engneering of parts is relatively straightforwrd. The parts are put into an X-Y-Z coordinate measuring machine and the critical dimensions captured. Then 3D CAD models are constructed and prototypes are made and tested. Once everything works, production can begin. It is very common for manufacturers to design in extra features with no purpose just to determine if a product has been cloned.

I was curious because the GX200 seems to have as much as 3 ft lbs of torque more than  other  mid-frame engines. But t's for a snowblower application, and no no seems to have a handle on  what needs to be done to a GX200 for such use.
robmints


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Re: Honda GX200 Clone engines?
Reply #8   Apr 10, 2005 7:15 pm
A box of the same parts are not an engine.
Marshall


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Re: Honda GX200 Clone engines?
Reply #9   Apr 10, 2005 9:21 pm
And the parts being designed the same on CAD don't necessarily have the same properties of material.
Richie


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Location: Long Island, New York
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Re: Honda GX200 Clone engines?
Reply #10   Apr 10, 2005 9:35 pm
I'm curious, are these  clone engines as quiet running as a Honda?  If so, that would be enough for me to try one out if I needed to replace a Tecumseh engine on a piece of power equipment.

Richie
MissSnowshoveler


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Re: Honda GX200 Clone engines?
Reply #11   Apr 11, 2005 5:36 am
These engines are as quiet.  The boss has had one on his woodsplitter since last year.  No big deal, but we rent it out.  I've figured out that it has probably has split 500 - 700 cord of wood.  Everyone that has used it has said that they can't tell the difference other then the decal.

In the cold weather it would start on the first pull, were as the brand new Honda needed some coaxing.

I've seen them both tore sown to nothing a bench beside each other.  Took internals and placed them in both engines.  Fits are as good as any.

Sherri

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Garandman


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Re: Honda GX200 Clone engines?
Reply #12   Apr 11, 2005 5:40 am
 Material properties could be worse, or better. And the manufacturing toleances could be worse, or better. As the Japanese have very good in-process quality control, one could assume the clones are worse. The Chinese have also cloned a wide variety of U.S. firearms, from  old Winchester pump shotguns to the civilian version of the M14. In general, the steel used was pretty good, but some of the internal tolerances weren't optimal. But making small engines is easier than forged firearm receivers and there's a bigger market.....

Ironically,  Honda soesn't seem to have an electric start 6.5 hp, but you can buy a clone with one.

Looked on eBay and some are selling for $130 plus shipping.
cleanmaxx_brian


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Location: Wantagh, Long Island, NY
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Re: Honda GX200 Clone engines?
Reply #13   Apr 11, 2005 3:55 pm
Check this out everybody! Hongda!!! LOL!!!

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-06/03/content_336280.htm

Lifan is BIG when it comes to the small .49CC to the 110CC pocket bikes.!!! They sell like crazy and for cheap!

Brian Chang

Ariens 8526LE, Bradley 32" 12.5HP walk behind mower, Echo BP200 blower, Troy Built 4.5HP Pressure Washer,  Craftsman 4.5HP Yard Vac, Homelite line trimmer, Scotts 21" high wheel mower, MTD 3.5HP Edger.

Emmo


Joined: May 22, 2003
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Re: Honda GX200 Clone engines?
Reply #14   Apr 11, 2005 4:06 pm
Highwind wrote:
LOL Marshall,

Or "Hondha", "Hawnda", or the Vietnamese version "HoChiMinhda" .


Pretty good guess Highwind,

according to the article:

"Last year, the Beijing No 2 Intermediate People's Court heard a case filed by Honda against Lifan. In that case, Honda said Lifan used "Hongda" on its products, which Honda claims is very similar to Honda. The case is still pending."
millwright


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Joined: Jan 14, 2003
Points: 188

Re: Honda GX200 Clone engines?
Reply #15   Apr 11, 2005 8:05 pm
There is also a model called trumaxxs on e-bay  which is a clone not 1but 40 or 50  of them  cheap .

OTLBuilder


Joined: Aug 28, 2006
Points: 1

Re: Honda GX200 Clone engines?
Reply #16   Aug 28, 2006 1:31 pm
I am looking for parts to one of the 6.5 hp lifan engines and cannot find anyone in my area who can help me out. Anybody know where I can get a new head and valve for one?

Tim

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