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Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
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Sebo Airbelt D Series . . .
Original Message   Jul 7, 2010 5:20 pm
Hi,

Which? magazine has just made a preliminary announcement re the Sebo D series vacuums.  Bags being my preference, I was pleased to read that the D series sports a 6-liter bag (about a gallon and a half).  The airbelt is a little wasted on me as I've never had problems with marring furniture.  However, if it will keep the machine itself from looking like it belongs in a second-hand shop for a few years I'm all for it.

Which? plans to test the D series soon.

The story is here: http://www.which.co.uk/news/2010/07/new-vacs-with-bumpers-to-protect-your-furniture-219804

Venson

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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sebo Airbelt D Series . . .
Reply #32   Jul 22, 2010 6:47 am
vacmanuk wrote:
Which also proves that in this case and instance that "premium price" does not mean the best. Also the Dyson DC23 is relatively new against the Sebo K3 Airbelt "old stager" Vulcano which has been on the market in various guises (Sebo just put a paint job) before the DC23's presence.



How true.  Caveat emptor.  Buyer beware.  Highest priced does not mean best product.  Despite slick marketing and emotional buying.

Carmine D.

Hertz


Joined: Jan 31, 2010
Points: 199

Re: Sebo Airbelt D Series . . .
Reply #33   Jul 22, 2010 7:55 am
CarmineD wrote:
How true.  Caveat emptor.  Buyer beware.  Highest priced does not mean best product.  Despite slick marketing and emotional buying.

Carmine D.



No wonder Orecks so well sometimes.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sebo Airbelt D Series . . .
Reply #34   Jul 22, 2010 8:39 am
Hertz wrote:
No wonder Orecks so well sometimes.



I paid $150 for my new XL Classic in April 2007.  Still like brand new.  Bought 4 more new and gifted to others who love them.  Worth the price.  If I could find a dozen ORECK's at junk prices I'd buy them too and fix up and gift away.  Haven't yet.  

Carmine D.

vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
Points: 1162

Re: Sebo Airbelt D Series . . .
Reply #35   Jul 22, 2010 10:40 pm
Hertz wrote:
 They are overall quite durable machines, especially compared to all the chinese crap lately. Very good machines, at least from what I can see and comparing it to a Miele, too. Considering they seem to clean the air better than a Miele w/ a Air Clean filter, they're healthy, and I have allergies. Just be careful when emptying the bin. I'll let this one go (for now, haha) but I'm telling you what I have come to see from my own experiences, choose to believe it or not. You're choice sir, I could care less.

MM so this is why hospitals still use bagged vacuums? Really Hertz, you must have iron lungs to think that Dysons are healthier. Hospitals and clinics dont have the money generally but somehow they manage to have contract cleaners who have to use bags by law because it is cleaner!

Also, please don't knock all Chinese built things. I recall Dyson ended up making parts and complete vacuums in Asia...
Hertz


Joined: Jan 31, 2010
Points: 199

Re: Sebo Airbelt D Series . . .
Reply #36   Jul 22, 2010 10:53 pm
CarmineD wrote:
I paid $150 for my new XL Classic in April 2007.  Still like brand new.  Bought 4 more new and gifted to others who love them.  Worth the price.  If I could find a dozen ORECK's at junk prices I'd buy them too and fix up and gift away.  Haven't yet.  

Carmine D.



Then you're not looking hard enough; Oreck's clean maybe half as well as a Dyson, and the filtration is FAR worse - at least on their older models. People are sometimes too mechanically inept or brainless to know how to maintain a Dyson, thus they breakdown. When properly maintained, a Dyson would FLOOR an Oreck. I'm not sure about their new Edge though and even their Platinum Pilots, those look like good machines (for once).
Hertz


Joined: Jan 31, 2010
Points: 199

Re: Sebo Airbelt D Series . . .
Reply #37   Jul 22, 2010 10:55 pm
CarmineD wrote:
I paid $150 for my new XL Classic in April 2007.  Still like brand new.  Bought 4 more new and gifted to others who love them.  Worth the price.  If I could find a dozen ORECK's at junk prices I'd buy them too and fix up and gift away.  Haven't yet.  

Carmine D.



Oreck, at "junk" prices: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/app/1854312519.html Check it out buddy - that must mean that Oreck is PURE crap. NO question. Your logic is undeniable; *gag* Lemme know when it clicks for you. :D :P
This message was modified Jul 22, 2010 by Hertz
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Sebo Airbelt D Series . . .
Reply #38   Jul 23, 2010 6:46 am
Hertz wrote:
Oreck, at "junk" prices: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/app/1854312519.html Check it out buddy - that must mean that Oreck is PURE crap. NO question. Your logic is undeniable; *gag* Lemme know when it clicks for you. :D :P

Thank you.  This example illustrates my point that buying junk dysons at junk prices makes you a junk dyson dealer.  

You posted that you paid $30 for your dyson which retails currently for $400 plus with a 5 year warranty.  That's a 92.5 percent devaluation/depreciation from new prices.  The ORECK is $45 [from the site you provided see picture below] and sells for $200 new with a 1-2 year warranty.  That's a 77.5 percent devaluation/depreciation from current new prices.  This basic ORECK XL model with no frills [doesn't have on-board tools like your dyson either] held its value higher and far better than your dyson.  Dah!  Your junk dyson depreciated quicker and much more than the ORECK that you called PURE crap [now that's an oxymoron].  Tell us again please.......what's that you said about dysons at junk prices? 

ORECK budget buyers should shop Estate Sales too for higher end ORECK models at $45-50.  Estate Sale means the ORECK owners died before their ORECK's.  Unlike your dyson dirty dozen.  They died before the owners.  That's called a yard/garage/rummage sale AKA junk sale.  You bought junk dysons at junk prices.  You are a dyson junk dealer.  Congratulations, you have the market all to yourself. 

According to the AICPA* when an asset falls [depreciates] to less than 10 percent of its cost, it is considered scrap [aka junk] value.  

Carmine D.

* American Institute of Certified Public Accountants

Oreck XL model Vacuum Cleaner - $45 (hollywood)


Date: 2010-07-20, 7:29PM PDT
Reply to: sale-a4jnm-1854312519@craigslist.org

Oreck
XL Model
working condition

  • Location: hollywood
  • it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
image 1854312519-0image 1854312519-1
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Hertz


Joined: Jan 31, 2010
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Re: Sebo Airbelt D Series . . .
Reply #39   Jul 24, 2010 1:52 am
CarmineD wrote:
Thank you.  This example illustrates my point that buying junk dysons at junk prices makes you a junk dyson dealer.  

You posted that you paid $30 for your dyson which retails currently for $400 plus with a 5 year warranty.  That's a 92.5 percent devaluation/depreciation from new prices.  The ORECK is $45 [from the site you provided see picture below] and sells for $200 new with a 1-2 year warranty.  That's a 77.5 percent devaluation/depreciation from current new prices.  This basic ORECK XL model with no frills [doesn't have on-board tools like your dyson either] held its value higher and far better than your dyson.  Dah!  Your junk dyson depreciated quicker and much more than the ORECK that you called PURE crap [now that's an oxymoron].  Tell us again please.......what's that you said about dysons at junk prices? 

ORECK budget buyers should shop Estate Sales too for higher end ORECK models at $45-50.  Estate Sale means the ORECK owners died before their ORECK's.  Unlike your dyson dirty dozen.  They died before the owners.  That's called a yard/garage/rummage sale AKA junk sale.  You bought junk dysons at junk prices.  You are a dyson junk dealer.  Congratulations, you have the market all to yourself. 

According to the AICPA* when an asset falls [depreciates] to less than 10 percent of its cost, it is considered scrap [aka junk] value.  

Carmine D.

* American Institute of Certified Public Accountants

Oreck XL model Vacuum Cleaner - $45 (hollywood)


Date: 2010-07-20, 7:29PM PDT
Reply to: sale-a4jnm-1854312519@craigslist.org

Oreck
XL Model
working condition

  • Location: hollywood
  • it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
image 1854312519-0image 1854312519-1


You still don't get it; it doesn't matter what something is priced at; it still is what it is; a high quality, long lasting Dyson will beat the pants off your half-decent stick broom called an "Oreck" Most Dysons go for 1/2 - 3/4 their retail price EASY! I just happened to find a RARE deal. Live in your delusional world, not much I can do but simply tell you the facts.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sebo Airbelt D Series . . .
Reply #40   Jul 24, 2010 7:00 am
Hertz wrote:
You still don't get it; it doesn't matter what something is priced at; it still is what it is; a high quality, long lasting Dyson will beat the pants off your half-decent stick broom called an "Oreck" Most Dysons go for 1/2 - 3/4 their retail price EASY! I just happened to find a RARE deal. Live in your delusional world, not much I can do but simply tell you the facts.

Junk/scrap vacuums at less than 10 percent of cost ready for the salvage bin are junk.  China made, dyson, whatever the brand.  You didn't get a rare deal.  You got a rear deal.  Sugarcoat your purchase anyway you like.  They're junk.  It is what it is. 

Most retailers today in the USA are advertising NEW dysons at a minimum of 20 percent off retail prices and have been for quite awhile.  Plus retailers are giving customers who buy new dysons in store savings and buyer incentives like a free dyson handheld and/or free dyson attachment kits.  Where you been all your life.  Watching MTV?  Smell the crap.  See the junk.  Most places pay to have junk hauled to the dump by the pallet loads.  Instead, you paid them to remove it.  Real shrewd deal, alright.  Very rare indeed.  For them.  Not you.  You were flimflammed big time.  Plain and simple truth.

Carmine D.

This message was modified Jul 24, 2010 by CarmineD
vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
Points: 1162

Re: Sebo Airbelt D Series . . .
Reply #41   Jul 25, 2010 10:23 am
Indeed.. upon looking upon EBAY UK this afternoon (my British time!) I noticed amongst the job lot of 5 Henry tub vacuums, a job lot of 3 Electrolux bagless uprights, a massive 10 job lot of Dyson DC04s for £150-00. Its been sat on for days and noone is hooking their lines. Why? Not because of the price but because most repairers know that cost effectively the DC04 isn't going to be a big seller due to its associated reliability problems even after repair!

Having done repair myself (I worked in a private shop for 3 years when I studied in London to see me through my course financially) I know that repairers will buy from EBAY for job lots but NOT Dyson models because:

  1. Regardless of spare part prices, at trade costs they are more expensive without the VAT added in.
  2. Dyson parts and spares usually involve having to buy the repair manuals which in Dyson's case consists of a hugely worded manual rather than single pages per model and you have to be registered by DYSON UK to have the user manual in the first place.
  3. Models like DC04 with the expensive ratchet clutch Brush Control are notorious for breaking down even after a repair has been done.
  4. Most upright models need specialised tools that allow the motors to be prised apart, not least star crossdrivers and flex neck screwdrivers.
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