Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Tho a couple of months away, the VDTA is slotted for Vegas this year AND central vacuum systems, tho relatively new venue to the vacuum trade organization, are getting increased emphasis.

Carmine D.

By looking at their online manual, it says the airflow for their highest end model is only 45 liters/second, which equates to 95.349 CFM per http://www.onlineconversion.com/flow_rate_volume.htm. Their C-series has 170 CFM! That's nearly TWICE the cleaning power, right?! This is kind of worrying me on the performance aspect here 0_o. Anyone care to chime in? Maybe the suction and airflow together on this new machine will equal or beat the C-series. That's certainly my hope and guess. Has anyone used these yet? If so, what do you think of the performance?

The C series had a 1500 watt maximum motor. D series 1 and 2 has Eco friendly 1600 watt motors (*naturally they're going to be stronger than the C series) whilst the top level ones are 2100 watt, same as the K series.  I got mine the other day. You'll have to wait for the review though!

vacmanuk wrote:

You DO realize that just because it draws more wattage does NOT equal better performance, correct? It's still a bit disconcerting about their airflow ratings and it being basically half of what the C-series is, HOWEVER, again, that could just be all irrelevant numbers due to the a combination of the suction and possibly more HEAVY airflow (from stronger suction) equating just as good if not better performance. However, I'm very confident that due to it being Sebo they will only provide the near-highest or HIGHEST possible quality product, which I'm hoping is the case, but I'll wait for your review to confirm. SWEET! Can't wait! Just BE SURE to include pictures!!!! :D

Hertz wrote:
I dont tend to put on photos really. No point in that- otherwise I'd make a video - and I may do that in time.

Frankly I dont care much as to how much suction the machine draws out. I'm disappointed that SEBO have not stuck with the X bags though, The new D series uses a new bag designed only for this model. Always felt that it was from a better point of view to have the old X bag in the C cylinder as a matter of cost cutting but one that works well given the sales of the X model and availability of the bags. SEBO is not about offering the highest quality, Hertz, they are a design engineering company first and foremost.

vacmanuk wrote:

I think it's *GREAT* that they're going with a a bigger capacity which should ultimately equal lest cost to the consumer because instead of having to buy multiple smaller bags with all that plastic on them, you'll just be buying one BIGGER bag with just one set of plastic bits and bobs on the top for sealing and dispensing. Sure they design and engineer, but one of their main goals to offer HIGH quality products, and for the money you spend, I would say they're some of the highest quality out there, which is obviously their intent then. I would say, again, they both tie into each other in this case; design/engineering/quality. Please do a video soon then!

Using a basic Kirby flo meter the Miele pulls about 20 percent more airflo despit the 170 cu ft claim, I sell both, sorry I know this started as the vdta thread which I skipped this year

Actionvac wrote:

This was the worse year for VDTA attendance in the 3 years I've been here.  Not surprising. 

Carmine D.

PS: Correction 4 years.

Actionvac wrote:

Very interesting. Would you say a Miele would outlcean a SEBO however? And how does a Dyson compare in terms of waterlift and Airflow? DC-14, to be exact?

Well, it appears the HYCLEAN bags Miele introduced recently fixed the problem with S5's and dust leakage. 
The S5 Capricorn I tried out yesterday had its HYCLEAN bag nearly full, but no dust on the HEPA filter and airflow remained remarkably good.

As for SEBO, I've not seen the D4 anywhere around Portland OR, but I've not ventured into the niche dealers yet (the larger chains do carry Miele in quantity).

vacomatic wrote:

Recently? Sorry, but I've had my Capricorn for at least over the two year mark and have always used the high-filtration "Hyclean" bags. If you've read any of my posts you'll have found me nearly raving about the bags ability for high dust capture.

Do't know if the standard still stands but Filter Queen's conical cellulose filters were the benchmark for that. I'd never seen a match until Miele's high-filtration bags. However, I think it's probably by matter of choice that many Miele users may buy the lesser bags Miele offers due to price. The high-filtration bags can run about $19.00 for a box of five.

The problem with high-end vacuums -- the ones that actually live up to their promises I mean -- is that you can't go "cheapie" on anything that keeps the unit operating optimally.

Venson