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If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...

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Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Original Message   Dec 12, 2009 4:23 pm
Shark is going after the Dyson Ball pretty hard with the Navigator product.  It claims no loss of suction and claims its just as easy to maneuver as the Dyson Ball.  After acknowledging Dyson as the first to offer no loss of suction, they go for the throat.  They do a direct comparison to a Dyson Ball and state that they are equal in all ways (easy to maneuver, no loss of suction, 5 year warranty) but price.  For less than $200 you can get a Shark Navigator with a free steam cleaner thrown in to boot. 

The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable.  The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking. 
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Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #126   May 4, 2010 4:15 pm
Well gang, no matter what you think of the Navigator -- I sold one today.  The only problem with the sale is that there goes another commision -- Costco hasn't hired me yet . . .

Though I came in for trash bags and spaghetti, I went to check out the vacuum aisle as usual and stopped not so much because there was anything new but because someone had finally unboxed one of the Navigators and left it out for display.  There was also a lady standing there looking at it so I took the machine down from the shelf (four feet off the floor) so we both could have a better look at it.  Even though we couldn't plug it in, naturally, I got to running my mouth and showed her how to use the hose, how the machine emptied and where the filters and cyclonic module were.

Regarding that matter, I took special care to inform her that though the Navigator is bagless the filters and the cyclonics module would require washing as needed.  A real surprise for me was that when I removed the container that holds the filter(s) I hadn't realized that not one but three layers of thick foam were in place. She's an apartment dweller and should be fine.  I won't lay this all on expertise -- teh price for the Navigator at my Costco was $160.  It proved quite a tempting choice against the $400 Dyson and the $298 Oreck set.  The only thing cheaper was the Hoover Dura at $134 but it was left out on display completely disheveled.

Venson

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #127   May 4, 2010 4:24 pm
Venson wrote:
Well gang, no matter what you think of the Navigator -- I sold one today.  The only problem with the sale is that there goes another commision -- Costco hasn't hired me yet . . .

Though I came in for trash bags and spaghetti, I went to check out the vacuum aisle as usual and stopped not so much because there was anything new but because someone had finally unboxed one of the Navigators and left it out for display.  There was also a lady standing there looking at it so I took the machine down from the shelf (four feet off the floor) so we both could have a better look at it.  Even though we couldn't plug it in, naturally, I got to running my mouth and showed her how to use the hose, how the machine emptied and where the filters and cyclonic module were.

Regarding that matter, I took special care to inform her that though the Navigator is bagless the filters and the cyclonics module would require washing as needed.  A real surprise for me was that when I removed the container that holds the filter(s) I hadn't realized that not one but three layers of thick foam were in place. She's an apartment dweller and should be fine.  I won't lay this all on expertise -- teh price for the Navigator at my Costco was $160.  It proved quite a tempting choice against the $400 Dyson and the $298 Oreck set.  The only thing cheaper was the Hoover Dura at $134 but it was left out on display completely disheveled.

Venson



It seems that they are preparing for a lot of dust getting to the filter.
Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #128   May 4, 2010 4:44 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
It seems that they are preparing for a lot of dust getting to the filter.

Hiya Hardsell,

That could be but I don't know.  I thought the amount of filters included was generous to say the least.   But after showing them to the woman I was speaking with and after emphasizing the importance of filter cleaning more than once she did not seem to mind.

Venson

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #129   May 4, 2010 5:16 pm
Venson wrote:
Well gang, no matter what you think of the Navigator -- I sold one today.  The only problem with the sale is that there goes another commision -- Costco hasn't hired me yet . . .

Though I came in for trash bags and spaghetti, I went to check out the vacuum aisle as usual and stopped not so much because there was anything new but because someone had finally unboxed one of the Navigators and left it out for display.  There was also a lady standing there looking at it so I took the machine down from the shelf (four feet off the floor) so we both could have a better look at it.  Even though we couldn't plug it in, naturally, I got to running my mouth and showed her how to use the hose, how the machine emptied and where the filters and cyclonic module were.

Regarding that matter, I took special care to inform her that though the Navigator is bagless the filters and the cyclonics module would require washing as needed.  A real surprise for me was that when I removed the container that holds the filter(s) I hadn't realized that not one but three layers of thick foam were in place. She's an apartment dweller and should be fine.  I won't lay this all on expertise -- teh price for the Navigator at my Costco was $160.  It proved quite a tempting choice against the $400 Dyson and the $298 Oreck set.  The only thing cheaper was the Hoover Dura at $134 but it was left out on display completely disheveled.

Venson



Congrats Venson.  Just to note the dyson for $400 at COSTCO is the out of date DC14.  If yardsell did his homework he'd see that on every major feature of the lightweight Shark Navigator Pet that it meets or beats the supposed full size TOL dyson ball DC25 for $500.  But he impugns only the Shark Navigator as a narrow lightweight with small dirt bin.  At $160 for the Shark Navigator with a twice yearly filter cleaning schedule versus the 4-6 times for dyson DC25, easy and smart choice, except for HS.  He's conflicted.  Dyson is still on his mind.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #130   May 4, 2010 6:26 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Congrats Venson.  Just to note the dyson for $400 at COSTCO is the out of date DC14.  If yardsell did his homework he'd see that on every major feature of the lightweight Shark Navigator Pet that it meets or beats the supposed full size TOL dyson ball DC25 for $500.  But he impugns only the Shark Navigator as a narrow lightweight with small dirt bin.  At $160 for the Shark Navigator with a twice yearly filter cleaning schedule versus the 4-6 times for dyson DC25, easy and smart choice, except for HS.  He's conflicted.  Dyson is still on his mind.

Carmine D.

SFB

It should definitely out perform Oreck. 

Oreck has a large bag that it can't fill for months (maybe a year) due to poor performance.  The Navigator has a small cup which it could likely fill in one pass behind an Oreck. 

Thanks for your continued flattery to Dyson.  The most envied brand on the market.  And the one who sucker punched old SFB.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #131   May 4, 2010 7:48 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
SFB

It should definitely out perform Oreck. 

Oreck has a large bag that it can't fill for months (maybe a year) due to poor performance.  The Navigator has a small cup which it could likely fill in one pass behind an Oreck. 

Thanks for your continued flattery to Dyson.  The most envied brand on the market.  And the one who sucker punched old SFB.


Turdsell:

This thread is about Shark Navigator Pet but you still have ORECK stuck in your craw. 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #132   May 4, 2010 8:45 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Turdsell:

This thread is about Shark Navigator Pet but you still have ORECK stuck in your craw. 

Carmine D.

Still dazed I see.  Most threads are not about Dyson.  However, you always compare Dyson to all discussed brands.  Again, thanks for the flattery.  Dyson, the most envied vacuum ever.

Severus


If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...

Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 397

Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #133   May 5, 2010 12:43 am
CR has ratings for both the Shark Navigator NV22 and the Dyson DC24 on their web site.  the Shark has a slightly higher overall rating, but the 2 excel in different areas.  The Dyson had a higher score for emissions, but a lower score for pet hair.  It was surprising to me that the Dyson's score for cleaning with tools was poor.  Handling was better for the Dyson according to CR.  It goes to show that constant suction is only a plus when the constant level is adequate.  User ratings on the CR web site for the Dyson averaged 3.5 out of 5 stars.  the Navigator review is fairly new, so I didn't see any user reviews yet. 

CR has added a bunch of new LG vacuum models to the ratings. 

The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable.  The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking. 
Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #134   May 5, 2010 2:15 am
Thanks Severus.

Venson

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #135   May 5, 2010 2:44 am
HARDSELL wrote:
Still dazed I see.  Most threads are not about Dyson.  However, you always compare Dyson to all discussed brands.  Again, thanks for the flattery.  Dyson, the most envied vacuum ever.


As usual you are wrong.  Shark compares the Navigator Pet to DC25.  Not me fartsell.  Not because of flattery.  Better product.  Better price.   

Carmine D.

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